Woofers and Tweeters Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 Just now, mopardave said: but i know i will never open a business and eat ramen for the first 5yrs or so while i reinvest everything back into the business with the earnings and without a guarantee it will survive. And the ones who work hard, do without, eat Ramen noodles, and reinvest in the company are charging too much money? This is one of those "it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool" times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 3 minutes ago, Woofers and Tweeters said: Nope, not you. You'd never do that, would you? How many people on here are buying $26,000-$36,000 Klipsch speakers? Most are only dreaming about it and thats all it will ever be at this point. Those speakers are catered to the rich, but the rich are buying $50,000 speakers. So where does that leave Klipsch with Heritage? With the middle class, but the middle class cant afford to buy them in numbers. So now what? I'm not sitting still and just dreaming about. I am building my own with the quality wood and components. I will never take a loan for a pair of any speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 4 minutes ago, Woofers and Tweeters said: And the ones who work hard, do without, eat Ramen noodles, and reinvest in the company are charging too much money? This is one of those "it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool" times. Not all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 Wait...Y'all aren't gonna turn this into one of those Dunning-Kruger discussions are Ya? 😁 33 minutes ago, mopardave said: Ok, so what would you say is the solution? Actually, I don't know and already stated a possible solution to Keep Hope Alive, but I am only a vocal consumer and sharing thoughts over morning coffee....My guess is if the new CEO has KHorns there is a better chance of speakers being made than if they are looking at the bottom line. Like others have mentioned, Healthcare costs for employees, let alone 40 hr a week wages is as much of a concern as cutting component expenses to have a viable product--a couple of nice, big speakers is no longer as attractive as a cheaper/viable options to receive sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 22 minutes ago, mopardave said: How many people on here are buying $26,000-$36,000 Klipsch speakers? Most are only dreaming about it and thats all it will ever be at this point. Those speakers are catered to the rich, but the rich are buying $50,000 speakers. What!!! 😮 NO ONE is dreaming about having 26k, 36k, and especially not 50k speakers today unless they are rappers or old school keep-up-with-the-Joneses, audiophiles! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 1 hour ago, Woofers and Tweeters said: On 12/25/2024 at 12:18 AM, Deang said: No company should have to sit and watch the bullshit that was going on here, on their company sponsored board. You have no idea how close we came to losing this place. This forum and the company thrived for more than 20 years with what you're calling bull on here. Ha! Speaking of Bullshit--Remember when we used to get away with.....oh, never mind. Let's hope the new owners find value in the Klipsch Forum for the next 20 years. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebse2a3 Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 53 minutes ago, mopardave said: I cant and wont ever tell others what they should do, but i know i will never open a business and eat ramen for the first 5yrs or so while i reinvest everything back into the business with the earnings and without a guarantee it will survive. You choose your path and others need to choose theirs no question about that in my mind but we all pay a price for those paths taken and also reap the rewards. So in my family’s case money was never the main priority it was more about being together and working for a decent living while doing so. During our business years we were blessed to have Mom with us for 9 years until she unexpectedly and suddenly pass away at the young age of 42 and as tough as it was my Dad, Brother and myself continued on with the business then after 22 years together with all the good and rough years we finally decided to close the doors and during this time Dad took ill and passed within a couple of months. Now my brother has been gone 10 years and let me tell you those years of having our business together are precious to me and any money that I could have made working for someone else couldn’t provide me with the memories that mean the world to me today. Life happens in the blink of an eye and for me it’s the sharing and memories with my family that I hold valuable and not any money/things that I could have made somewhere else. Those business years of sacrificing and uncertainty with no guarantee were filled with a shared love of family and happiness as well so many may not understand and think we were foolish but I know better from experience. miketn 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 23 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: Wait...Y'all aren't gonna turn this into one of those Dunning-Kruger discussions are Ya? 😁 Actually, I don't know and already stated a possible solution to Keep Hope Alive, but I am only a vocal consumer and sharing thoughts over morning coffee....My guess is if the new CEO has KHorns there is a better chance of speakers being made than if they are looking at the bottom line. Like others have mentioned, Healthcare costs for employees, let alone 40 hr a week wages is as much of a concern as cutting component expenses to have a viable product--a couple of nice, big speakers is no longer as attractive as a cheaper/viable options to receive sound. That alone is north of $300,000/yr. Electricity, liability insurance, taxes, materials etc. A lot of money for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 20 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: What!!! 😮 NO ONE is dreaming about having 26k, 36k, and especially not 50k speakers today unless they are rappers or old school keep-up-with-the-Joneses, audiophiles! 😎 I used to dream of having new Khorns, but it was only a dream. I would love to buy a Klipsch product, but way out there now for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 13 minutes ago, mikebse2a3 said: You choose your path and others need to choose theirs no question about that in my mind but we all pay a price for those paths taken and also reap the rewards. So in my family’s case money was never the main priority it was more about being together and working for a decent living while doing so. During our business years we were blessed to have Mom with us for 9 years until she unexpectedly and suddenly pass away at the young age of 42 and as tough as it was my Dad, Brother and myself continued on with the business then after 22 years together with all the good and rough years we finally decided to close the doors and during this time Dad took ill and passed within a couple of months. Now my brother has been gone 10 years and let me tell you those years of having our business together are precious to me and any money that I could have made working for someone else couldn’t provide me with the memories that mean the world to me today. Life happens in the blink of an eye and for me it’s the sharing and memories with my family that I hold valuable and not any money/things that I could have made somewhere else. Those business years of sacrificing and uncertainty with no guarantee were filled with a shared love of family and happiness as well so many may not understand and think we were foolish but I know better from experience. miketn Thats awesome and glad you had the tight family business experience. Not all do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 22 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: Ha! Speaking of Bullshit--Remember when we used to get away with.....oh, never mind. Let's hope the new owners find value in the Klipsch Forum for the next 20 years. Lol. Lets hope. Wish things were the way they used to be so many years ago, but they're not and we have to keep going forward with whatever makes us happy in our own way. There is always more than one way to skin a cat, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 Non-Heritage Klipsch speakers remain some of the top-selling worldwide (if you don't count "smart speakers" and similar low-fidelity items): https://www.globalbrandsmagazine.com/top-10-speaker-brands/, so I wouldn't expect Klipsch to be "disappeared". Some companies keep traditional products around, in some cases even though they contribute little or nothing to their profits, simply because they represent the company's "roots". The Klipsch Heritage line, and the Forums, might be just such items. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 7 hours ago, Woofers and Tweeters said: It's not what you're saying, it's where you're saying it. So you understand this in one context, but not another. Imagine a high level meeting and someone says, “So why does the forum exist, looks like it just ends up making more speaker companies.” I was told this actually happened. And of course all of the yapping and promotion of said companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleOoze Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 You know what would be nice? Kits for the larger speakers for those not willing to spend the price of a Toyota SUV. Kit form Jubilee, I can veneer it with Bubinga 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 9 hours ago, Zen Traveler said: 9 hours ago, mopardave said: What!!! 😮 NO ONE is dreaming about having 26k, 36k, and especially not 50k speakers today unless they are rappers or old school keep-up-with-the-Joneses, audiophiles! 😎 I am none of those things, but sure, I dream of having some high end gear. I've also heard some $100k+ speakers, and found my MWM/La Scala mash-up sounded better. People today don't want plywood boxes in their homes. The expensive cabinets/veneers won't make speakers sound better, but good looks helps sell. Maybe it's partly because I was around musicians and recording/broadcast studios where folks were more interested in how well something worked, not how nice it looked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 26, 2024 Share Posted December 26, 2024 People place a high value on aesthetics. 90% of the DIY efforts I’ve seen would be relegated to the garage by the Mrs. “Garage system” and “Man Cave” is code for “not in my living room”. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 11 hours ago, Deang said: So you understand this in one context, but not another. Imagine a high level meeting and someone says, “So why does the forum exist, looks like it just ends up making more speaker companies.” I was told this actually happened. And of course all of the yapping and promotion of said companies. I appreciate you sharing that. It was obviously meant to blister the individual who had to catch that hot potato (hot tater works, too). That question is understandable and is deserving of a legitimate answer: ~ ‘The reason is because we here at Klipsch are doing what we can to not suffer what our competition has. JBL, Altec Lancing, Electro Voice and many others are all but out of business. We are listening to our customers and promoters. Although the Heritage line is less than 5% of sales, the publicity from our supporters help the Klipsch reputation / brand and is what makes up for the success of the other 95%. Without our supporters, Klipsch would not have been known by the masses. As far as what has sold, it’s similar to the automotive industry, there are very few individuals who "change" their Klipsch Heritage speakers and those advances, and does not hurt Klipsch sales. The curb alert low dollar Alert section helps Klipsch. Similarly, the Restoration and Modification sections help Klipsch sell too.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 20 hours ago, Deang said: Imagine a high level meeting and someone says, “So why does the forum exist, looks like it just ends up making more speaker companies.” this ^ is a shorty sighted view/statement... A business doesn't remain relevant by trying to control an active market segment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 Only good argument I’ve heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted December 27, 2024 Share Posted December 27, 2024 On 12/25/2024 at 10:38 AM, Deang said: Sure. Companies you list are undoubtedly engaged in the aftermarket parts business - like Harely, etc. Harley has 5000 employees. how do you think they became 5000 employee strong? not by trying to control the market and information dissemination, by embracing it. when the Japanese started to make twin clones, Harley didnt whine about it, they embraced a ever evolving market segment and nurtured it with well designed after market products by embracing secondary manufacturers. Harley did not say 'hey, you can't change that... we're Harley!' Overall, a protectionist view of a market segment is the wrong way to look at business if you're view is to remain viable. Intellectual Properties and Patents are there to protect designers and legitimate owners of said IP's... not to prevent others from using it. they should allow others to License those IP's if applicable. it's a bit like the difference in Closed source software and Open source software... Open source is MUCH MORE robust and nurtures growth and participation... and while Closed source rules the roost for now (apple/Microsoft), it is not because they are better, far from it. It is because they have the benefit of 'First mover advantage'... and some elements of Antitrust. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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