JasN00b Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 anybody have any experience with the M3Ti bookshelves by Axiom audio? they've gotten pretty much perfect reviews everywhere i look, and for 275 a pair they're might tempting.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I would try to audition them, as speakers are a very personal thing. What sounds great to one person will be only average to the next. I have never heard the M3Ti as well as most of Axioms recent models... but the ones I have heard were somewhat typical Canadian/Ontario speakers based on Floyd's (sp?) psychoacoustics NRC research. They used to compare well to similarly priced units from Athena, Paradigm, Energy, PSB, etc... Obviously the higher priced units from PSB, Paradigm, and Energy had an edge... but cost more as well. Anyone else more up to date? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrow9@cox.net Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Hey..... I just bought the M3Tis last week. I was debating between the Klipsch RB25/35s and the Axioms..... I wanted to setup a 6.1 arrangement with identical bookshelfs and an SVS.... I've read all the reviews and looked at the sound graphs; The Axioms have a very flat response accross the board (between about 90hz and 18khz)... Before they start to roll off at their respective driver limits.... I personally think they blend GREAT with my SVS. Very tight, accurate, loud speakers... Not as effecient as the Klipsch Reference Horns but I would say more neutral sounding and accurate(judging by the older reference as its impossible for me to demo any of the new ones); And my 100WPC amp pushes them plenty loud (read - uncomfortably loud) before it runs out of juice! Unfortunately I had trouble demoing the Klipsch Reference because they are no longer carried by ANY of the local stores..... Best Buy, Tweeter, Bernies, Circuit City, Sears, etcetc.... And I could not find a single review of the new bookshelfs on any of the hometheater sites..... All this irritated me quite a bit. I used to be a Klipsch fanboy after all (even had the jacket!) The Klipsch also cost quite a bit more.... Especially when you add in the shipping. (Because if you are like me you would have to have them shipped to you) Axiom ships them 2 day fedex international FREE! And if you don't like them you can always send them back within the 30 day trial period. I got them thru Amie@axiomaudio.com she got me factory outlet ones; mint condition! not a scratch!! with a considerable discount....even switched out the tan grills to black for me! Overall I was very impressed with the company and the product.... These speakers kick ***! So does the SVS btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasN00b Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 okay, that last review sold me on a trial period... everybody seems to really enjoy/recommend them, and for 275 a pair, how could i say no 0_0 i'm going to order them, and then i'll see for myself if i dont like them, i'll just return them. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnm Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I would be interested in hearing your impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasN00b Posted August 15, 2003 Author Share Posted August 15, 2003 i'll give a review once i get them. i havnt gotten paid yet for the past 3 days of work, i have 435 dollars coming in tommorow, so i'm going to order the bookshelves to demo, and my tempest driver for my sub. i'll keep ya'll posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrow9@cox.net Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 Nothing yet?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrow9@cox.net Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 I take it you never ordered them?? Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasN00b Posted August 31, 2003 Author Share Posted August 31, 2003 no, but i will give a brief review of my B&W 602 S3 bookshelves once i get them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrow9@cox.net Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Heh, Those kevlar cones are power hungry..... Doubt my 100wpc amp would be able to deliver Probably have a damn nice sound if you've got the power... Though I do wonder how much better sounding they can be than the Axioms... Looking at the frequency charts I'd say they have a much better bass response, but then my SVS takes over at 100hz anyhow, heh. So for me the only diff would be in clarity.... And I gotta say the Axioms are pretty damn clean sounding speakers. I look forward to hearing about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 "Those kevlar cones are power hungry..... Doubt my 100wpc amp would be able to deliver" A kevlar cone cannot be power hungry. LOL And any half descent power amp rated at 50W RMS per channel can drive most B&W's to solid output levels.Unless its a $99 receiver with a 1lb transformer and 5000uF total capacitor value desguised with a 400WATTS STICKER. I use a 50W PC Celeste 4050i to drive Totem,Dynaudio and Monitor Audio speakers to loud levels.B&W are no harder to drive then Totem or Dynaudio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasN00b Posted August 31, 2003 Author Share Posted August 31, 2003 Yea, i was going to say that in the store they were being driven with a 60WPC amp to very solid levels. and da-yum do those kevlar woofers look cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Kevlar woofers are even used in low cost speakers these days,and you even have pseudo kevlar paper cones! LOL To me as long as it sounds good its all good. Like the GOLD PLATED conector craze,what is next...cerametallic cones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Farrow9@cox.net Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 OK FIRST OFF - You are an arrogant mofo(TheEAR). Just because you have an esoteric hobby doesn't mean you are gods gift to enthusiasts. You are sitting in a thrown you special ordered right now aren't you?!? SECOND - I was not bashing the speakers; There are numerous advantages of kevlar cones in the lower frequencies... I was simply stating that kevlar cones are generally less effeciant than most other materials of similar rigidness (more specifically aluminum). Kevlar is heavier than most other materials used in cones which would make for a less effeciant driver.... I have plenty of evidence to back me up. http://www.aluminumspeakers.com/whyaluminum.shtml http://www.birotechnology.com/FAQ/conemat.html If you want more feel free to search yourself. I am sure the speakers sound great, a world renowned company like this wouldn't make some kludge loudspeaker. But THEY ARE less effeciant(88db@1w/1m) than similar Klipsch or Axiom bookshelfs.... "Weaknesses: Absolutely none other than they are hungry for power. Feed them!" http://www.audioreview.com/Bookshelf,Speakers/B&W,DM602,S3/PRD_130193_4290crx.aspx And BTW "pseudo kevlar" would NOT be KEVLAR at all. (Pseudo meaning fake/false/counterfeit)... Anything else you would like me to explain? ("TheEAR") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrow9@cox.net Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Ok that was a little harsh but the laughter hurt my feelings ...... lol "A kevlar cone cannot be power hungry. LOL" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasN00b Posted September 1, 2003 Author Share Posted September 1, 2003 ---------------- On 9/1/2003 1:29:03 AM Farrow9@cox.net wrote: OK FIRST OFF - You are an arrogant mofo(TheEAR). Just because you have an esoteric hobby doesn't mean you are gods gift to enthusiasts. You are sitting in a thrown you special ordered right now aren't you?!? SECOND - I was not bashing the speakers; There are numerous advantages of kevlar cones in the lower frequencies... I was simply stating that kevlar cones are generally less effeciant than most other materials of similar rigidness (more specifically aluminum). Kevlar is heavier than most other materials used in cones which would make for a less effeciant driver.... I have plenty of evidence to back me up. http://www.aluminumspeakers.com/whyaluminum.shtml http://www.birotechnology.com/FAQ/conemat.html If you want more feel free to search yourself. I am sure the speakers sound great, a world renowned company like this wouldn't make some kludge loudspeaker. But THEY ARE less effeciant(88db@1w/1m) than similar Klipsch or Axiom bookshelfs.... "Weaknesses: Absolutely none other than they are hungry for power. Feed them!" http://www.audioreview.com/Bookshelf,Speakers/B&W,DM602,S3/PRD_130193_4290crx.aspx And BTW "pseudo kevlar" would NOT be KEVLAR at all. (Pseudo meaning fake/false/counterfeit)... Anything else you would like me to explain? ("TheEAR") ---------------- these are not the forums to troll and bicker. and they're rated at 90dB@1w/1m FWIW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogins Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 I have owned the 602 S3's for just over a year now. They don't required a lot of power. But they love current, much like all speakers. I power them with a 70 watt NAD integrated and rarely do I turn the volume knob past 9 o'clock. With all efficient speakers, it's not the quantity of power that matters, but the quality of power. Power gives you SPL but it's current that makes speakers sing. JasN00b, are you James~P at HTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasN00b Posted September 1, 2003 Author Share Posted September 1, 2003 James~P would be me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogins Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Cool. I go under the moniker Paul Chalk at HTF. Do you have your 602's yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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