khorn51 Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Maron do you consider the early Brocnier horn to be a real Klipschorn made by klipsch? Like the one in this pic http://picasaweb.google.com/iain42/AudioHistoryPics/photo#5032316241266222402 It looks just like the other early raw wood one in the Musuem photos . it also has the wider top plate. Quote
Arky Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 What is the little bastage, an industrial heresy? I love that shed pic. Maron I don't think we have ever conversed here before, I wasn't being disrespectful in my earlier post, just intrigued. Quote
JohnA Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 The L.B. (LB-76) was a J-horn with a Belle Squawker and a K-77 Tweeter. It was supposed to replace the La Scala onstage, but it cost too much to build for the same performance, or a bit worse. Quote
ZAKO Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Khorn51.....Most definetly... At this time Paul Klipsch needed Brocnier & Vitavox To help in making the bass bin....Although they came up to what was needed for the high frequency units.....It was getting out of hand on what was needed on the bass bin....So he pulled the licence to firm up his interpretion of the bass design. Kinda like rounding up the horses......Although at that time the VitaVox was the Cadillac Stallion. Quote
ZAKO Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Khorn51.....I would like to say....In a libral sence.. Any one building a good Klipsch bass bin today I would call a pirate taking the work out of the klipsch factory.....But dammit this is also a working hobby for good woodworkers.....As long as they dont pass that cabinet off as the real thing. Here in the St Louis we had a master Artist, Siegfred Reinhardt...Another artist was painting in his style and passing them off as Reinhardt,s......I have been buying up the the offending counterfit paintings and burning them.....I would also burn offending Khorn copies if i could afford to. Quote
khorn51 Posted March 26, 2007 Posted March 26, 2007 Well I think then Im taking the plunge and getting what I think is a 47 Khorn.It looks just like the Brociner badged on in the museum photos. The mid horn is dated 47 and has a 50 somthing serial # . The brociner crossover is serial no 2. The horn was was owned by the inventer of fm radio. I might have to cange my name to khorn47! I plan to keep it stock and only clean it up with out harming anything that is orig. Quote
ZAKO Posted March 26, 2007 Posted March 26, 2007 The inventer of FM radio? Armstrong? Im trying to remember when he died. (suicide) I believe. That would be a classic. Try to get a written provanance to its history. Quote
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Ex-employee Posted March 26, 2007 Klipsch Employees Posted March 26, 2007 Per. Jim Hunter.... If it is #14, it is the first of 7 units built after the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Baldwins (#2 -13). The KlipschMuseum has the original prototype (#1), the last Baldwin (#13), as well as #18 and #20 that were both sold to Brociner. Brociner never built bass bins for Klipsch. However, he did build bass bins, and became the first patent infringer. The Klipsch Archives has a file on the ensuing legal battle. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> After these 20 units the next serial number was #120, and it was the first one to be built in the Klipsch factory. There are no legitimate Klipschorns with serial numbers 21 thru 119. I saw an offering on eBay a couple of years ago claiming to be #14. It could have been, but the high frequency horn shown with it was extremely unlikely to have been approved by Paul. Probably blasphemous in his eyes. One of the forum members is definitely correct on Pauls treating of cone edges. This was a fairly major concern of his until he could get his vendors to catch on. Quote
ZAKO Posted March 26, 2007 Posted March 26, 2007 I stand corrected,,,,Brocinor built bass bins for his costomers not for Paul.....Dibutyphalate (DBP) It was a bit of consternation to apply properly...It was used on outer surrounds before Stephens supplied a good woofer to Paul Klipsch,s special requirements.....His tech. letter to Ashworth states it was Stephens P 52LX. Quote
khorn51 Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 Do you feel this is a klipsch made Horn? The Horn looks like the twin to the one in Musuem, right down to the grill cloth. The only serial no I see is on the mid/high horn and it is dated 1947 with serial no in the 50's. I did notices that on all my 1950's khorns (all 5 of them)all the mid horns ahave about 40- 50 higher serial #'s then the the bass horn serial #. So maybe this horn is pre 20 somthing if klipsch made it. Anyway it looks cool to me ,I love the basic khorn look! Quote
ZAKO Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 You dont Know for sure if HF horn & bass bin were deliverd together....Thats the problem.....On Ashworths #145 It was delivered without any High frequency horn......The New Jersey unit #145 showed a different HF horn. Ashworth wouldnt be caught dead with the one pictured above. Without papers of what was sold to whome....Its a pig in a poke.....Dont take some ones word for it.....I have reciepts on history of mine, And Ashworths. Plus letters from Paul Klipsch about the build of #145.......I would like to know how the Armstrong unit can be proved? Quote
khorn51 Posted March 27, 2007 Posted March 27, 2007 The seller bought the horn from the family in this photo, which shows the very same horn. I think it reads that amrstrong or his wife gave the horn to them. Anyone know when klipsch stoped making the wide bass bib top? Quote
ZAKO Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 No I don.t know when the top bib was introduced...There were many shapes depending on what was used as the High frequency horn/driver....They are easily made out of plywood ...Mine cut back sharper than that.... That photo is a good provinence....Keep track of everything....Although it will not add to its monitary value. Quote
khorn51 Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Yes I did win that 1940 somthing horn on ebay, now I/ll have a pair of 40 horns to play with. Now to find another jbl mid driver to match the one thats on the horn I won. Btw anyone here know what model that jbl driver is? Quote
sheltie dave Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Jim, Maron is the JBL expert on the forum, with Tom and a few others also having significant experience. It did look like a JBL 175 LE 16 ohm setup. Post a couple photos and you probable can get it confirmed. They pop up all the time on EBay and elsewhere. Maron can give you the correct skinny... Quote
sheltie dave Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 Jim, check out this auction - they have some real nice photos... http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-James-Lansing-JBL-175-Horn-Tweeter-Tube-Amp_W0QQitemZ160102449922QQcategoryZ50597QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I think this 16 ohm version comes in at 800 Hz. Quote
khorn51 Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 looks close but they are diffrent .Check out the depresion in the back of the drive,I have never seen this on any jbl before. Quote
ZAKO Posted April 4, 2007 Posted April 4, 2007 The driver with the depression( Rectangular) Is probably a AMPEX.....Licensed from JBL...they also made JBL 375 driver versions with the same rectangular logo tag.....That adapter between driver & horn looks like one of theres. Quote
ZAKO Posted April 4, 2007 Posted April 4, 2007 The early JBL 175 with the decal style script on back & decal style rectangular with cut corners is very early and sought after..... Quote
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