JohnA Posted June 24, 2001 Share Posted June 24, 2001 I know the standard guitar tuning (E A D G B E) is tuned to A = 440 Hz. What is the fundamental of the others? What about an electric bass (E A D G)? Is there a good source of this information? Online? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdm56 Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 Hi John, All I can tell you off the top of my big, fat head is that the lowest string on a four-string bass is supposed to be approximately 40hz. Seems it was actually 40 point something. I've read it a number of times and I should remember exactly, but being weak of mind, it eludes me. ------------------ JDMcCall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 26, 2001 Author Share Posted June 26, 2001 That would make the bass tuned three octaves lower than a guitar. Does that sound right? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 Hey James,don't beat yourself up,man. Chill. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 john, i just did a google web search for "guitar note frequency" & came across more info than i could screen for ye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 27, 2001 Author Share Posted June 27, 2001 I'd tried something like that on Yahoo!, but didn't find what i needed. I am pretty ignorant of musical scales and need more obvious information. I tried your google search and MAY have seen what I was looking for if I understood the meaning of the scale/octave numbers. Apparently, a piano can hit 25 Hz. Thanks! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 27, 2001 Share Posted June 27, 2001 yea john, don't remember exactly why, but google seems to do the best job i've found so far. interesting on that piano. wonder what the lowest on a pipe organ is. thought i heard like 5hz. ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics SL-1950 turntable/AT LS500 cartridge Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdm56 Posted June 27, 2001 Share Posted June 27, 2001 It kind of puts things in perspective, doesn't it? All the fuss and bother about achieving response down to 20hz or below. If popular music is your musical meat and potatos, why bother? Give me a high-output/low distortion pair of klipsch that can slam at 40hz! Below that - that's what they build RSW15s for. Oh BTW; TtoK, I'm not really being hard on myself. I really do have this huge, fat 7 7/8 hat size head. I'm a total freak!!!s> When I was a kid, my dentist told my mom that I would be a music lover. He deduced this from the size and shape of my noggin! The guy must have been a student of phrenology. He nailed it! ------------------ JDMcCall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HONDADX Posted June 27, 2001 Share Posted June 27, 2001 John . . . Don't exactly know what you're trying for, but as far as tuning an electric bass, if they do it the old fashioned way, they say to the piano player, "Hey man, gimme a G!". Of course, in these modern times, they pack electronic tuners to the gig and leave the piano men alone. However, I sort of get the feeling you're more interested in learning about 'funda- mentals' than 'notes'. Hope this little tidbit illuminates. ------------------ 2 KLF-30s - fronts 1 KLF - C7 - center 2 RS-7 WDSTs - rear surr. (when avail.) Velodyne HGS-15 subwoofer 40" Toshiba TW40F80 Theater Wide (16:9) Yamaha DSP-AI integrated amp Yamaha TX-950 tuner B&O Beogram RX2 turntable Nakamichi CR-7A cassette recorder Pioneer PD-F1005 Multi-CD Changer (File type) Sony SAS-AD4 DSS DirecTV System Pioneer DVL-909 DVD/LD Combi Player VCR1 - Toshiba W808 VCR2 - JVC HRS9400U VCR3 - Sony Betamax SL-HF1000 2 Sanus racks (4 levels + use of each top) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted June 27, 2001 Share Posted June 27, 2001 I believe the answer is to be found at the following. http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html It is my understanding that the open E string on the electric and wooden bass is at the 41.20 Hz frequency. Therefore, it seems to me this is a good lower limit for frequency response on most speakers. On the other hand, the pedal tones on organ go lower. The table confirms what we know. Going up or down an octave doubles and halves a frequency. Does anyone know the tuning of the timpani or a parade type bass drum? Gil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted June 27, 2001 Share Posted June 27, 2001 The frequencies bring up an interesting issue about why bass in music is interesting to the ear. (Im at a bit of a loss here because a borrower from my lending library has failed to return the book. No, no one on the bbs.) It has to do with the relation between chords and bass. If there is a real expert out there, comment is welcomed. H-E-L-P ! Consider a C major cord. It is made up of C4 at 261.63 Hz E4 at 329.63 Hz G4 at 392.00 Hz. But suppose we sound a bass note two octaves below the fundamental. It is C2 at about 65.41 Hz. We know that in some circumstances, there are harmonics or overtones formed of a given frequency of the fundamental note. They are integer multiples of the fundamental. So, lets look at some multiples of that bass note. 65.41 x 4 = 261.41 65.41 x 5 = 327.05 65.41 x 6 = 392.46 We see that if the bass player plunks a bass note two octaves below the major chord the lead guitar player is playing, the overtones or harmonics of that single base note align very closely with the chord. So, to some extent, the bass overtone is playing the same notes as the chord, given harmonics. Some really smart cookie figured this out 300 years ago. Why dont the numbers work out exactly? That is gonna have to be the subject of another post. Regards, Gil This message has been edited by William F. Gil McDermott on 06-27-2001 at 11:38 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake2 Posted June 29, 2001 Share Posted June 29, 2001 I'm thinking of replacing my subwoofer with a parade drum and a steady supply of teenagers willing to work for minimum wage to strike it on cue from my DVD player. Should I wire the teenagers in parallel with the front speakers, or would that present too much impedance to the amp? Or perhaps create too much resistance from the teenagers? DD2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted June 30, 2001 Author Share Posted June 30, 2001 Doug, It is my understanding that teenagers are High impedance, High inertia devices. For this reason, your need a seperate and powerful motivator to get them working! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted June 30, 2001 Share Posted June 30, 2001 Note Just Scale Equal Temperament Difference C4 261.63 261.63 0 C4# 272.54 277.18 +4.64 D4 294.33 293.66 -0.67 E4b 313.96 311.13 -2.84 E4 327.03 329.63 +2.60 F4 348.83 349.23 +0.40 F4# 367.92 369.99 +2.07 G4 392.44 392.00 -0.44 A4b 418.60 415.30 -3.30 A4 436.05 440.00 +3.94 B4b 470.93 466.16 -4.77 B4 490.55 493.88 +3.33 C5 523.25 523.25 0 Bass is usually tuned Just Scale where piano is usually Equal Temperament.Telarc's big bass drum is 16hz.Concert timpanni are usually 25hz(tuned by ear).Full sized piano (A0) is 27.5hz.Four string electric bass E=41hz A=55hz D=73.6hz G=98hz with low B on a five string bass =31hz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted July 1, 2001 Share Posted July 1, 2001 djk, being a former fellow iowan from muscatine & knowing of the great iowa edu. sys can u give us the lower notes/freq. of the pipe organ &/or equalizers ala edgar winter, etc. another ? too please, if most receivers are rated only down to 20hz, can they still hit sub 20hz frequencies? ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D 5-disk cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics SL-1950 turntable/AT LS500 cartridge Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted July 4, 2001 Share Posted July 4, 2001 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted July 4, 2001 Share Posted July 4, 2001 Doug, maybe you could just talk James into coming over and banging,on command, that BIG FAT HEAD of his! Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdm56 Posted July 5, 2001 Share Posted July 5, 2001 Yeah, I'd be glad to. I've already got a headache from the fireworks anyway. A little more cranium crunching probably wouldn't hurt any more. I don't work cheap, but I would work for a belle klipsch if you've got one sitting around gathering dust. ------------------ JDMcCall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted July 7, 2001 Share Posted July 7, 2001 Just to follow up on the 'error' I mentioned. In harmonic tuning the third is at 1.25 the fundamental of the chord and and the fifth is at 1.5 the fundamental of the chord. So you can see that the numbers would work out in harmonic tuning but don't quite do so in equal temperament. Gil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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