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On 4/1/2022 at 12:16 PM, RandyH said:

The AK6  , and AK5 have enclosed backs khorns , that no  longer need proper corners as that allows for toe in  -any khorn can be converted to have enclosed backs -

- one could always place a non enclosed back  khorn  anywhere in the room using  false corners  -

- enclosed backs khorns can also be placed  in corners 

This is not true regardless of open or closed backs the Klipschorn still needs a solid corner with ~ 4ft on either side of it to perform to listed specifications.  That will never change and is listed right in the documentation.  Don't believe still ask Trey Cannon and he will confirm it for you.

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Many years ago I originally purchased La Scalas. It didn’t take very long to trade them in for Klipschorns. No comparison. I’ve been running them steadily in my main system for close to 50 years now and with my recent upgrade in driving electronics they perform substantially better than I ever hoped they could. Truly a “Lifelong” speaker system. So happy that I made that original choice so many years ago. 

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13 hours ago, Frzninvt said:

This is not true regardless of open or closed backs the Klipschorn still needs a solid corner

 you're right , @Frzninvt , if  you got corners , use them by all means -now , Jubes with  enclosed backs do not require  corners  , why would  khorns be any different .

 

I will quote  klipsch    " never-before-seen feature  eliminates corner fit  "

http://images.klipsch.com/a60thKhornBrochure_635042120283920000.pdf

 

 

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anytime someone says... 'requires' or 'needs' to be in the corner i just have to roll my eyes...

 

The owners preference may be for the boundary layer reinforcement... or it may not.

 

if you are searching for every last Hertz you can squeeze out of a mechanical device, then maybe a Corner is for you.

 

OR

 

You could build wings and take that device out of the corners and placement wherever you want

 

OR

 

Perhaps you could add a Subwoofer to fill in ANY losses experienced by displacing of the device from a boundary layer... there are many choices.

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Interesting read....

I owned 4 sets la scalas and 2 sets Khorns over a 30 year life span.

Khorns can not be compared to La Scala's, each having their own ( dis) advantages....

But my ecperience is that only Khorns grab you like a life performance can.

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh yeah, one more thing: go active with bi/ tri amping. It will bring out the full potential of your horns. It will take time and efford ( and money...) but you will never look back.

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On 5/5/2022 at 1:58 PM, RandyH said:

 you're right , @Frzninvt , if  you got corners , use them by all means -now , Jubes with  enclosed backs do not require  corners  , why would  khorns be any different .

 

I will quote  klipsch    " never-before-seen feature  eliminates corner fit  "

http://images.klipsch.com/a60thKhornBrochure_635042120283920000.pdf

 

 

 

My understanding on the Jubilee is, if you want it to keep and maintain it's lowest output, it needs to be "within 10 inches" of a corner (if I recall correctly)  I am not an expert, but I seem to recall that being Roy's comment.

 

If you pull it out more, you will lose some bottom end extension.  That wiggle room though, allows you to bring it out a bit from the corner to get better aiming if needed.

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Khorns with closed backs...defenately worth it .👍

Tighter low end and more freedom of placement : they sound VERY good, placed against a wall.... but placed in corners they still perform the best!

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Low; K33

Mid; JBL 2445J modified ,on 80cm horn Fc 200hz ( handmade by Heyder ,Germany)

high; JBL 2404H modified

Crossover: upgraded 1st. gen. Minidsp 2X4

 

Poweramps ( in case you wonder) ;  Classé fifteen for the bassbins and Pass ACA for mid/ highs.

The 2404H is hooked up parallel with the 2445J with 1,9uF , voicecoils in line with each other.

Mid/ highs are 2.48 ms delayed from bassbins.

 

With respect to Mr Klipsch: the bassbin of the Khorn still is a monument in audio history imo. Especially with the backs closed they outperform many modern designs. The Jubilee performs even slightly better but has a poor waf factor: even my wife said NO.

 

The K400/401 with K55-v has been outperformed by many driver/horn combo's these days, as well as the stock tweeters.

 

 

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