Elydaman Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Using my SS Sony TAE9000es pre I find it VERY hard not to use the equalizer with my Khorns. If I walk in and play a score in flat 2 channel with no EQ, it sounds great, but if I use my preset EQ curve.....WOW!. Now I know that is not a 2 channel purest position, but I have heard some, many, recordings which EQing makes a big difference. I don't think it is hedonistic to like a fuller mid range, or deeper bass than the orginal recording. You can admit it if you do use the EQ, I won't name names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elydaman Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 What's up? Did I tread on the 2Channel Taboo? Either you do or you don't...but the question can be asked.....Is everyone using a Tube pre which does not give them the option to play with that nasty temptation to boost?...I think we have a horde of CLOSET EQers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaffstone Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 The need to EQ or not is a function of the room as much as the equipment. Superimpose hearing loss as a function of frequency and age of listener and you have a situation where EQ could easily be justified. BTW tubes do not preclude the use of an EQ any more than the use of a CD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Lets see I have volume, balance, source select, on off switch nope no tone control or eq. Too switches and buttons and I get confused : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dflip Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I used to use an eq when I was using my SAE preamp, both a parametric a standard eq. I thought it did a good job at the time. When I went with better equipment I discovered the eq while doing some things well, did colour the sound and changed it substantially. Over the years I have gone to the no eq in the system and like the result. It takes a bunch of tweaks to get around the sounds that you don't like, but the soundstage and detail is better than with the eq. As with most things audio, it is a compromise. Decide what you want and make a choice, you can always change it later if it doesn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I used to use EQ until I got the Chorus II's...I would use it though if the low tone control didn't kick in at such a high frequency (around 100 Hz). I would love to give a little boost to 40Hz and below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I don't have eq on my Harman Kardon out in the theater, but I do crank the tone controls up. In our living room we have an old Sanyo, it has an eq set to a smilie face. Yes..... I EQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbley Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Yes, I certainly do. I'm using a Behringer DEQ2496. I really, really like it. No, I love it. This is one great little EQ, especially if you use it between your transport and DAC. To my ears, on my system, this thing is transparent in the digital path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 ---------------- On 3/18/2005 10:11:20 PM timbley wrote: Yes, I certainly do. I'm using a Behringer DEQ2496. I really, really like it. No, I love it. This is one great little EQ, especially if you use it between your transport and DAC. To my ears, on my system, this thing is transparent in the digital path. ---------------- That's actually a really good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76scalas Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I never used tone controls or an equalizer until I got a Behringer DEQ2496. Now I can't listen without it. Next to my La Scala's it's the best thing I ever bought! Takes a while to figure out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I use a Pioneer VSX-59TXi as a processor. It incorporates an automated room correction and setup system. It also has an advanced correction system that uses delays to avoid cancellations. It has to be heard to be appreciated. I have an RTA analysis of the prior model, the 49TXi, doing room correction for a Reference 7 system. The equalization shows a significant improvement in flat frequency response. When my system finishes the automated calculations, I manually cut any boost over three decibels. I also reset the subwoofer level and use a test disk to fine tune channel levels. The Pioneer is a tweaker's dream come true. The best part is that I can switch from no EQ to 4 different preset EQs at a touch of the remote control. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbley Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 ---------------- On 3/18/2005 10:33:58 PM ben. wrote: That's actually a really good idea. ---------------- I highly recommend giving it a try. The DEQ has optical digital input and output, as well as XLR AES/EBU. I read some articles comparing the Behringer DEQ to the much more expensive DEQX. One thing that was brought up was that the Behringer uses IIR filters, while the DEQX uses FIR. I don't know anything about digital filters, but it was suggested that the IIR filters introduce phase shifts, while the FIR don't. I don't know for sure, but I'm of the impression that the Behringer is not messing up the phase. It doesn't sound like it's messing up anything to me. Anybody know about how digital filters work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbley Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 ---------------- On 3/18/2005 11:09:08 PM MrMcGoo wrote: I use a Pioneer VSX-59TXi as a processor..... It has to be heard to be appreciated. Bill ---------------- Very interesting, especially the advanced processing that helps with room cancellations. Great stuff! I can hardly wait to see (hear) what they come up with next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckears Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 No EQ or tone controls here; I've always been a "run it flat, use good equipment, or change the room" person. However, when Anthem updated their AVM-series processors to include a "notch" filter (to smooth out bumps in the bass frequency response", I happily went through the necessary steps to cure a spike in the 30-38 Hz range. It has made the bass a lot more realistic, taking away the low boominess, and replaced by a nice, natural sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erukian Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 Equalizer all the way No room is perfect, no speaker is perfect. There's always room for improvement to fight room acoustics, and equalizers are the cure. Purists? They really only exist with the headphone jocks, because they don't have to worry about room acoustics. Speakers have too much working against them to have a "pure" sound in the first place so equalizers are necessary to have have a better sounding system. -Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 I'll come out of the closet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 I go with chuckears. Whether in recording or reproduction, EQ is simply a bandaid rather than a cure. Not that there is anything wrong with that... JMHO Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 I run prety much flat with tubes and ChorusII. A bad CD I will slightly adjust to 11:00 or 1:00. Vinyl pretty much never. RB-5 HT I never touch tone controls or timing; Just spl between the speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 like MrMcgoo, i use the auto eq digital eq's in my pioneer elite 55txi to eq my room and then leave it alone..... i bypass my tone controls..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 While its true that the better system/room you have EQ is needed less,there's nothin' wrong with EQ.I run one set up flat,one -1T +1B and one +2T +4B,there's no right or wrong only what sounds best to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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