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I seem to recall that driving a solid state amp

with a tube preamp could be risky. Something

about DC leakage from the preamp at power

on (even with cap coupled outputs).

Some SS amps can handle this, some can't.

What is it in the amps circuit that determines this?

I'd also be curious to know if anyone has

successfully used combinations of the following:

pre: Juicy Music Blackberry

amp: McIntosh MC2120

H-K 730

Thanks!

Steve.

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" Some SS amps can handle this, some can't.

What is it in the amps circuit that determines this?"

It isn't really the amp that can't handle it but the speaker. If you

have a DC coupled amp and pass it DC from the pre-amp the amp amplifies

it and passes it to the speaker.

If the SS amp isn't DC coupled it won't pass/amplify DC from the

pre-amp. Or if the pre-amp doesn't pass DC (including on/off

transients) it isn't a problem then either.

Shawn

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"a preamp can pass DC on on/off transients, even if it's got a cap on its output? (other than a failed cap)."

Yes, even with a cap on the output it is possible for DC to get through

when the cap is discharged. After the cap charges it will block the DC.

For reasons like this this is why some tube pre-amps automatically mute

(ground) their outputs on power on for x amount of seconds and again on

power off to try to avoid problems.

Shawn

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That's why power amplifiers are always the last on and first off...you

always want to turn on your equipment starting at the very front (the

source) and then work your way down the chain towards the speakers. For

power off, you just go the other direction.

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In the mid 1970's I ran an Audio Research SP-3A with a McIntosh MC-2105. The preamp presented a large DC turn-on thump as it warmed up (it had no muting). I simply build a 1 minute turn-on delay timer for the power amp, and problem was solved.

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Few years ago my previous Krell 700Cx SS amp was destroyed by a sick Sonic Frontiers Line 3 tube preamp when it went South. I am not sure if it was the DC leak problem with SF Line 3 but the Krell had to be sent back to the factorty. Since then I have a different Krell 700Cx and have a set of internal jumpers (to activate caps in the signal path) to protec it from tube preamp DC leaks.

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In the mid 1970's I ran an Audio Research SP-3A

with a McIntosh MC-2105. The preamp presented a large DC turn-on

thump as it warmed up (it had no muting). I simply build a 1

minute turn-on delay timer for the power amp, and problem was

solved.

I also increased the turn-on delay timer on my Pioneer SX-1980 receiver

to allow the preamp tubes to warm up which I am driving with a homemade

tube pre-amp.

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