DizRotus Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 (edited) . . . from the library, at least. Its not meant to start a flame war. One can actually check out CDs from the library and listen to the music. Did you ever try to check out a record? If you weren't the first person to get to it, you might as well drop the stylus on the turntable's mat. At best, you might be able to hear enough music through the dirt and scratches to decide to buy a clean copy. With CDs you can actually hear the music. As I type Im listening to disc 3 of Miles Davis Chronicle the Complete Prestige Recordings, from the public library, they sound great even though Im not dragging a semi-precious gem across vinyl. Personally the vinyl horse left the barn and took my TT (modified AR/SME/SHURE V-15 III) with it, and I don't miss the hassle, but Ill defend anyones right to prefer good vinyl to CDs. Edited September 23, 2014 by DizRotus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I check out CDs all the time. About 1/4 of them are too trashed to play in my car. Still, easier then checking out LPs. I don't understand why people feel obligated to trash library property. It's just sad. Our libraries have tons of jazz and classical but very little rock which is fine with me. I used to borrow CDs to decide what jazz LPs to buy. Worked out great. Sounds like you got a great set there too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 . . . from the library, at least. Its not meant to start of a flame war.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> One can actually check out CDs from the library and listen to the music. Did you ever try to check out a record? If you werent the first person to get to it, you might as well drop the stylus on the dust mat. At best, you might be able to hear enough music through the dirt and scratches to decide to buy a clean copy. With CDs you can actually hear the music. As I type Im listening to disc 3 of Miles Davis Chronicle the Complete Prestige Recordings, from the public library, they sound great even though Im not dragging a semi-precious gem across vinyl. Personally the vinyl horse left the barn and took my TT (modified AR/SME/SHURE V-15 III) with it, and I don't miss the hassle, but Ill defend anyones right to prefer good vinyl to CDs. I also let vinyl horse escape. Vinyl is a pain in the butt,to short, to noisey, and I am to old to play Disc Jockey. You pay top dollar for an albumn that is warped, won't track, and everytime you play it, you are wearing it down, no matter how light you set the tracking pressure. You will never prove to me that LP's sound better than CD's. In my younger days I had hundreds of LP's untill I bought a CD player, and the Led Zeppelin box set, GOODBYE LP's. No tics, No pops, just Music the way it should be, and was intended to be. Don't you hate it when an Lp skips, or better yet taking back a warped record only to get another record, and it's warped too? I have many friends that just love vinyl, and I know I'll get beat up on this forum about it, because I don't. It's all about choice, and if vinyl happens to be yours, Rock on brothers, and every time your record skips, tics ,or pops, think kindly of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I am also a big, big believer in checking out CDs from the library. I live in CT and your library card is good at any branch in the state. The curious thing is that different libraries will have very different selections - even the small ones. A couple of towns away they have a very nice selection of the "Living Presence" recordings from the 50s & 60s. They have been nicely re-mastered for CD. Libraries really are a wonderful resource. The collections are determined by local tastes and probably some idiosyncrasies/interests of specific librarians. Good Luck, -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Ya know...it makes you wonder why libraries don't keep the master tucked away from the public and just lend out copies of the original (of course not lending more copies than they own). And then if the CD comes back damaged, it's only a $1 fee (if that) to replace the CD-R. You could even take it a step further and digitally transfer the "original" around through the interlibrary networks. Again, just making sure you don't lend out more than you own. But that's easy to keep track of with good software. It'd be nice of movie rentals were this way too... But alas, our stupid anti-piracy world has made it such that there isn't full compatability with CD-R's and DVD-R's so it's not going to happen anytime soon.[:@] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I have a CD free home - won't allow the things near me. Vinyl beats CDs. While we're at it... Beatles beats Rolling Stones Mercy beats Justice Philosophy beats Religion Points and Dwell beats Electronic Ignition Corona beats Heinken Red Heads beat Blondes Pauln Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Ya know...it makes you wonder why libraries don't keep the master tucked away from the public and just lend out copies of the original (of course not lending more copies than they own). And then if the CD comes back damaged, it's only a $1 fee (if that) to replace the CD-R. You could even take it a step further and digitally transfer the "original" around through the interlibrary networks. Again, just making sure you don't lend out more than you own. But that's easy to keep track of with good software. It'd be nice of movie rentals were this way too... But alas, our stupid anti-piracy world has made it such that there isn't full compatability with CD-R's and DVD-R's so it's not going to happen anytime soon.[:@] I am throughly impressed since I forgot the last time I went to my public library.... College library yes, internet killed my local library. Too far and stuff..... I may go back just to listen to some cds hmmmmm OK DrWho the problem with the cd-r other than the copyright issue is that well atleast in my library the librarians are my grandmother's age and never touch the computers.... I doubt they could even burn cds. Tell them I wanna burn a cd they probably think your going to actually burn one for real..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbsl Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 The world according to Pauln!! It has been a long time since I heard a vinyl set up and I would like to hear a vinly set up again. But no matter how much better it may sound to me (I did say may sound better) I do not think I would be willing to go thru the trouble of replacing everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Well, I'd sure like to hear a head to head comparison. I got a cd player in 1984 and never looked back. I was still spinning records for school dances and such, but personally was so happy about what I wasn't hearing on CD's, I gave away my TTs and took my cases of records to the GoodWill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranjith Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 1. Beatles beats Rolling Stones 2. Mercy beats Justice 3. Philosophy beats Religion 4. Points and Dwell beats Electronic Ignition 5. Corona beats Heinken 6. Red Heads beat Blondes Pauln 1. Agreed 2. Agreed 3. yes! thank you 5. NO WAY, Heini hands down 6. yes'ir edit: sorry didnt mean to steal the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I used to like coronas like 3 years ago then for some reason I switched and lately when I tried drinking a corona I almost puked! never had a red head, Brunettes are so sexy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubeGuy Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 It's amazing when we have people over and they see the audio system their first words are," Are those tubes. I didn't know they still make those - and, can you still buy them?" Their next question is "Horns!?" with a questionable look. Third question is, "Turntable?, can you still buy records?" When I tel them yes, they respond with, "I gave all my records away!" ... And I just smile inside because I'm one of the guys that picked up those records for 10 cents on the dollar! What transpires after that holds true to form - every time! I'll start off playing the CD's of their choice. They can't believe what they're hearing from all of that "vintage" stuff. Anyway, after playing CD's, I'll throw on an LP. Since they can't see the front end equipment from the listening position, they don't know what format is being queued up. Consistently I get startled comments about what just happened to the sound. When I tell them they're listening to an LP, they just can't believe the difference. We end up listening to LPs for the rest of the evening! Don't get me wrong, I love CDs too. The convenience is intoxicating. The knowledge, technical ability, and just plain work to do LPs correctly is just that - A LOT OF WORK. For casual listening, or listening with groups, CDs are the only way to go. When I really want to get into a performance, LP's always seem to do the trick. To my ears, convenience comes at a price and there's no free ride. I say long live both! I like each format for their individual strengths. Now if I was given a choice - Give up records or your Khorns - Well... you guess what's going to go! Oh, and make mine an Anchor Steam! Anything served with a lime HAS to be questioned![] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamer Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 It's amazing when we have people over and they see the audio system their first words are," Are those tubes. I didn't know they still make those - and, can you still buy them?" Their next question is "Horns!?" with a questionable look. Third question is, "Turntable?, can you still buy records?" When I tel them yes, they respond with, "I gave all my records away!" ... And I just smile inside because I'm one of the guys that picked up those records for 10 cents on the dollar! What transpires after that holds true to form - every time! I'll start off playing the CD's of their choice. They can't believe what they're hearing from all of that "vintage" stuff. Anyway, after playing CD's, I'll throw on an LP. Since they can't see the front end equipment from the listening position, they don't know what format is being queued up. Consistently I get startled comments about what just happened to the sound. When I tell them they're listening to an LP, they just can't believe the difference. We end up listening to LPs for the rest of the evening! Don't get me wrong, I love CDs too. The convenience is intoxicating. The knowledge, technical ability, and just plain work to do LPs correctly is just that - A LOT OF WORK. For casual listening, or listening with groups, CDs are the only way to go. When I really want to get into a performance, LP's always seem to do the trick. To my ears, convenience comes at a price and there's no free ride. I say long live both! I like each format for their individual strengths. Now if I was given a choice - Give up records or your Khorns - Well... you guess what's going to go! Oh, and make mine an Anchor Steam! Anything served with a lime HAS to be questioned![] Tubeguy, Was at a friends house a few weeks back.The guy likes to spin vinyl and I was treated to a few hrs of great music,cant tell you what his TT was but he built it himself. I enjoyed the sound very much and to me it sounded almost as good as my Mark Levinson CDP.LOL,not trying to stir it up just think the Levinson has alot of the qualities of what I heard that night. I would love to set up a TT front end but dont have the funds at this time.I have about 300 albums or so and used to have a a cheap one.I bought my first CD in 85' and havent looked back since. Give me a draft of Guiness please. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 OK DrWho the problem with the cd-r other than the copyright issue is that well atleast in my library the librarians are my grandmother's age and never touch the computers.... I doubt they could even burn cds. Tell them I wanna burn a cd they probably think your going to actually burn one for real..... Well there's no copyright issue because you're not lending more copies than you own originals. And burning CDs is a very very very easy process...especially with units like the Telex Spinwise towers. You open the top drawer, put the master in. Open the bottom drawer and put the CD-R in. Press OK, the drawers close and in under a minute you have your copy made and then it spits the drawers back out. I know plenty of lil old ladies that are terrified of computers that have no problem burning CDs. It takes all of 5 minutes worth of training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazman Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Oh, and make mine an Anchor Steam! Anything served with a lime HAS to be questioned! TubeGuy, I'll second the Anchor Steam, along with many of the brews from my local brewpub that's 2 and 1/2 blocks away. I'll also second vinyl, horns, and SET amps. With that said, Rega's new Apollo CD player is making a good argument for redbook CD's in my system lately. Still no way the CDs will replace the vinyl. I'll put my vinyl setup against ANYONE'S CD player. Klipsch out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I have a CD free home - won't allow the things near me. Vinyl beats CDs. While we're at it... Beatles beats Rolling Stones Mercy beats Justice Philosophy beats Religion Points and Dwell beats Electronic Ignition Corona beats Heinken Red Heads beat Blondes Pauln Let me go on RECORD: The STONES are better than the Beatles:The STONES are better than the Beatles: The STONES are better than the Beatles, OOOPS; sorry the record skips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbsl Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 My brother in law still has records but I don't know if he has a record player still. If he does I need him to come over and hook it up to my Luxman preamp and have some fun. My best friend used to dj at parties with records and they did have a great sound. I wonder if he still has a record player, have to find out. I will be picking up my Welborne Labs 2A3s from Erik this weekend and will have to try and get my brother in law over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 Despite my intro to the contrary, this has turned into a CDs vs. Vinyl debate, whereas it was my intention to only compare the two formats as available from public libraries. Can anyone seriously dispute the superiority of CDs from a public library as a way to audition music? I doubt that many, if any, public libraries still circulate vinyl records, but when they did, the sound quality was abysmal.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> After I posted this, I got to thinking about the topic that lead to An interesting blind test at http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/696191/ShowPost.aspx. That thread does address the relative fidelity of the two media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Points and Dwell beats Electronic Ignition I love vinyl but I'm gonna have to say that I think my fully programable Electronic ignition beats out the old points and dwell mechanical dizzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I DARE anyone to come to my house with the CD player of their choice and compare it to my vinyl setup. CDs are convenient and are great for parties. They sound pretty good too. You just can't compare the overall sound quality to a really good vinyl rig. Those who disagree, and I've said this time and time again, have never heard a really good TT in action. BTW - Beatles over the Stones. Grateful Dead over the Beatles.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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