My parents just won't listen.

[RTTR]

I was talking to my parents earlier about finishing off my 2-channel system with a Rega Planar 2 turntable, and immediately they went into a state of bashing records, immediately thinking they are no longer made simply because "WalMart" and "BestBuy" doesn't sell them. Where are you going to get one? A junk yard? My mom said.

No matter what I said, they think it's a dumb idea and will sound like shit.

On a side note, aren't records the oldest known form of media still made?

[Hardhead]

You could always get a job and buy it yourself, if you aren't allergic . . .

[oldbuckster]

I was talking to my parents earlier about finishing off my 2-channel system with a Rega Planar 2 turntable, and immediately they went into a state of bashing records, immediately thinking they are no longer made simply because "WalMart" and "BestBuy" doesn't sell them. Where are you going to get one? A junk yard? My mom said.

No matter what I said, they think it's a dumb idea and will sound like shit.

On a side note, aren't records the oldest known form of media still made?

That's their job, to think your idea is dumb! Oh how my parents carried on the first time I played Led Zeppelin II at loud volume, oh my. As far as media's oldest form, you might be right about records,but music was around long before media.

[colterphoto1]

I was talking to my parents earlier about finishing off my 2-channel system with a Rega Planar 2 turntable, and immediately they went into a state of bashing records, immediately thinking they are no longer made simply because "WalMart" and "BestBuy" doesn't sell them. Where are you going to get one? A junk yard? My mom said.

No matter what I said, they think it's a dumb idea and will sound like shit.

On a side note, aren't records the oldest known form of media still made?

I don't know the exact history, but Edison started with a wax cylinder- about the size of an orange juice can, with grooves around it. I have a couple of them in the museum.

And there were shellac 78 RPM discs for the Edison and Victrola wind up phonographs before electicity was around. I have grandpa's old Edison.

Michael

[JJkizak]

RTTR:

I agree with your parents.

JJK

[RTTR]

You could always get a job and buy it yourself, if you aren't allergic .

. .

That's a pretty retarded thing to come out and say... You think my parents bought their 21 year old son a $1400 NAD amp?

Oh ahaha, who am I trying to kid, this is 2006, parents buy their kids BMW's and Mercedes when they turn 16. But anyway, so I guess you have a point saying that. But anyway I have a job.

Aside from that, why agree with my parents that LPs are a waste, just about everyones system profile in the 2 channel section has a turntable.

[Colin]

21 yr old needs parents permission to buy a TT?

I think losslless digital music is the future of audio

[RTTR]

21 yr old needs parents permission to buy a TT?

I think losslless digital music is the future of audio

NO, I was simply talking to them about it, and they tried to talk me out of "wasting" my money on it, you know how parents are.

Wow I am really getting ganged up on here.

Never the less, this isn't stopping me from buying a Rega P2

[Jay481985]

bash bash lol []

eh my parents went from when I was little and wanted to do adventerous stuff like white water rafting and stuff, by saying when you're in college or live on your own and have the money. Now that I am in college and live in a dorm their like well you should save your money and keep it for a rainy day..........

They were not to pleased with the rf-83 purchase but again they let some things go because they knew i wanted it for 3 years, made sacrifices, could not save the money (bank = college taking 1/3) and such...... And their eyes brightened when they heard a pair of rf-7 at a showroom. They like music, but never had that fire inside of them.

[Jay481985]

oh btw parents are designed to say no.....

unless their the parents that buy bmw's for their kids and host parties where the parents knowingly allow their kids to do drugs and alcohol in their own basement because they rather have an eye on them and as long as their in their home and do not do it outside *rolls eyes face*

[mark1101]

I have a turn table too. It's on a shelf in the back of my basement. []

I went digital because of convenience mostly. Any type of music is available and lots can be downloaded in lossless formats (I don't do MP3s). The sound quality difference is there, but wasn't enough to keep me searching to the ends of the earth for the music I like just to hear pops and cracks (or eventually hear them). Most of the music I like is live or not available on vinyl, and costs a fraction of a new vinyl album.

Sure, old records can be cheap, but how do they sound? You might get lucky in the hunt.

Digital music sounds exactly the same every time. It doesn't wear out. You don't have to replace cartridges and stylus ever. A fine player costs pennies compared to a fine vinyl rig. Digital music is portable.

However, I would never discourage anyone's interest in vinyl. I still think that vinyl sounds the best (right now). It's just that your going down an expensive road for a young guy.

I admire that you are the connoisseur that you are. []

[rplace]

RTTR, I am on your side. Move forward with the vinyl plan. Give them a listen when it is all dialed in. Best if you can play a CD, then the same cut on a LP. They will see the light.

On the other hand they really do have your best interests at heart. They "think" they are giving you good advice, not just being mean. They truly believe that LPs are a thing of they past. They just happen to not be enlightened about vinyl. No big deal, there are plenty of people who think that way. Ignorance is bliss.

Your money do what you want to do...rock on!

I think Colin is also on the right track. Losless digital music will be the ultimate when you consider both convenience and sound. However if you can live with a little less convenience, vinyl has a certain something that I have yet to hear in any digital form.

[mark1101]

RTTR, I am on your side. Move forward with the vinyl plan. Give them a listen when it is all dialed in. Best if you can play a CD, then the same cut on a LP. They will see the light.

Rplace, Do you really think his parents will see the light just because they can hear a record sound better than a CD?

C'mon. We are a group of audiophiles. Sure, WE can see the light. But most "normal" folks don't give a darn (no offense intended here!!!!). His parents will probably say the CD sounds great too, and that equipment and CDs cost WAY LESS. That's what will probably happen.

They'll see the practical side of things.

Hopefully, they'll see that their kid has a healthy interest in a complex and interesting hobby and agree to tolerate it or maybe even support it.

I've been to record stores lately in Athens, Ga. here where I live. This is a great music town. It's clear from what you see and what people say that turntables and vinyl are making somewhat of a comeback in the mainstream. It's not going to get cheap, but the fact is that interest is "back". I have had a long time electronics shop owner here tell me the same thing and show me some new turntables in recent supply catalogues he deals with. Not the high end ones some here have, but ones that will work and get you decent sound.

I'm not surprised about anyone wanting to "take up" or "get back into" vinyl. If I wasn't so darn busy I would consider it myself. Who knows someday. []

[chops]

I'd say if you really haven't heard a good vinyl setup yet, then buy a used good TT first. Something around a 200 bucks or so...

http://cgi.ebay.com/TECHNICS-DIRECT-DRIVE-TURNTABLE-w-SHURE-NEEDLE_W0QQitemZ9717018618QQcategoryZ64626QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Get a decent cartridge for it, namely the Shure M97XE for 90 buck from the NeedleDoctor...

http://www.needledoctor.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.380/it.A/id.298/.f

Try this out for a while and see if it's something you really want to stick with. Those Technics Direct Drive TTs are hard to beat, and for the money, that and the Shure cartridge would be a hard combo to beat without spending considerably more.

I went down that same exact road a couple of years back, liked it for a while, got tired with it after a while, and sold it all in favor of digital again. Don't get me wrong, it all sounded great, but it was just a hassle messing with it all the time.

[Colin]

You should have seen the ugly crap I bought when I was a teenager, boy did they tease me! Today I still wish I had that gold faced Fisher tube receiver!

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BTW, you cant put TTs on the floor and dance at the same time!

[chops]

BTW, you cant put TTs on the floor and dance at the same time!

Solid concrete floor + no dancing = rumble free sound. []

[jacksonbart]

I agree with your parents, oh and layoff the drugs and get a haircut you hippy.

[jacksonbart]

Oh one more reason not to buy a TT in college. A bra lands in a CD player while playing a CD, no problem. A bra lands on a TT playing a record, well you gotta a problem. Of course by then you won't notice.

[RTTR]

A used Rega P2 is actaully what I was looking at, I woudn't buy a new turntable unless I really got into the hobby.

There are a bunch of P2's on ebay with Grado and Audio Technica cartridges for great prices. Well there was anyway, there is still one with a Grado for $225 right now. But these kinda things always come and go.

[rplace]

RTTR, I am on your side. Move forward with the vinyl plan. Give them a listen when it is all dialed in. Best if you can play a CD, then the same cut on a LP. They will see the light.

Rplace, Do you really think his parents will see the light just because they can hear a record sound better than a CD?

C'mon. We are a group of audiophiles. Sure, WE can see the light. But most "normal" folks don't give a darn (no offense intended here!!!!). His parents will probably say the CD sounds great too, and that equipment and CDs cost WAY LESS. That's what will probably happen.

I'm not saying I would expect them to give up their easily hidden black cubes and the DVD player they are using for a CD transport and end up with khorns and a $10K vinyl rig. I would just expect them to hear the difference and say, wow, I thought all LPs sounded like a bowl of rice crispys, that is nice...much like everyone that comes to my house. I have yet to have a person say they liked the same CD track better then a vinyl track in my set up. However, none of them have ran out and bought a turntable.

I think most intelligent, open minded, people when presented with the facts are able to see their preconceived notions are wrong and appreciate the music for what it is. They still don't think the hassle factor is worth it and I don't expect them to.