Kevin S Posted November 24, 2001 Author Share Posted November 24, 2001 Sorry for the late response. I was visiting the "Outlaws" for the holiday. Lovedrummin, I have been a Beatles fan since their first appearance on Ed Sullivan (I was 7 years old at the time). In fact, the photo on the right above the equipment rack is a photo from that show. My 15 year old daughter and my wife are big fans as well. Colin, at the rear of the room is a pair of pocket doors that lead to the "storage room", where the junk resides. Of course being an obsessive/compulsive neat freak helps minimize the junk factor! ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBusa Posted November 26, 2001 Share Posted November 26, 2001 very nice indeed! the first thing I saw was the couch and I love it. it's very comfy looking. a lot of thought and setup time was put into your system ...i can just tell. you've gots lots of room for pretty much any size mains that you want. how long have you used the heresys? ever thought of upgrading to something larger in the heritage line? if thats your #2 i would love to see the #1 system! -don ------------------ My system thus far: 1980 Cornwalls (mains) 1990 Heresy II's (rears) 2001 KLF-C7 (center) 2001 KSW15 (Subwoofer) SONY STD-D611 (reciever)Kenwood DV402 (DVD) Sony KV 27V55 (9 year old 27" TV still kickin') This message has been edited by BigBusa on 11-26-2001 at 01:13 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S Posted November 26, 2001 Author Share Posted November 26, 2001 Big, Thanks for the kind words. I have had the Heresies for a few months. I previously owned Klipschorns for about 12 years. I've also owned LaScalas, Cornwalls and KG2's. Since the K-Horns, I've owned speakers from Legacy, Magnepan and B&W. None of which seemed to get "it" quite right. Thats why I came back to Klipsch, and the Heritage series. But actually, with the advent of quality subwoofers, I have found that my current setup is as satisfying (at least for now!) as my K-Horns were. The single biggest difference between my K-Horns and the Heresies, Cornwalls and LaScalas is in the bass. Not much real difference, IMHO, in the mids and highs between any of these speakers, up to their limits. I was actuallu going to buy Belle's and use the Heresies as surrounds and center. But when the Belles weren't available, I set things up as you see it and am extremely happy. While listening I frequently thank Klipsch for saving me the $4000 or so the Belles would have cost. Of course, if a pair of black 1990's vintage Belles or K-Horns were to show up on E-Bay....... ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump Posted November 26, 2001 Share Posted November 26, 2001 Kevin, since you dont have bigger mains you could really use some of them SVS instead of HSwho. and a new couch would not hurt. ------------------ go forth & hump the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch-daddy Posted November 26, 2001 Share Posted November 26, 2001 Kevin, Nice looking setup. I hope to have some of my own pictures up soon. Gump.. whats up with all these negative comments towards Kevin?? ------------------ My HTS: MAINS: RF-3's CENTER: KSC-C1(LOOKING FOR A RC-3 OR RC-3II) REAR: SS-1's SUB: KSW-12 TV: TOSHIBA THEATER VIEW 50" RECEIVER:KENWOOD VR-4080B DVD: SONY S-360 DVD PLAYER monster cable interconnects/12 gauge speaker wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump Posted November 27, 2001 Share Posted November 27, 2001 It's Hump ya clown! ------------------ go forth & hump the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch-daddy Posted November 27, 2001 Share Posted November 27, 2001 Hump, gump, gimp, whats the difference. i am curious to know what type of home audio/video set up you have? (this would possibly back up all of your comments here on the board) you do not have it listed in your sig. what's up. everyone wants to know. ------------------ My HTS: MAINS: RF-3's CENTER: KSC-C1(LOOKING FOR A RC-3 OR RC-3II) REAR: SS-1's SUB: KSW-12 TV: TOSHIBA THEATER VIEW 50" RECEIVER:KENWOOD VR-4080B DVD: SONY S-360 DVD PLAYER monster cable interconnects/12 gauge speaker wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyHabits Posted November 29, 2001 Share Posted November 29, 2001 Kevin, Very nice. The Beatles, McIntosh, and Klipsch. Very well done indeed. Thanks for posting your pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted December 3, 2001 Share Posted December 3, 2001 Yes we want to know what gear you have ForrestGump. HSU makes some great subs and Kevin did the right thing when he purchased them.HSU makes GREAT subs. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejson Posted December 3, 2001 Share Posted December 3, 2001 Kevin, what kind of rack is that & where'd you get it? It looks like it's everything i need--simple, elegant, open in the back, has wheels, and it appears to be modular. This may be a minor issue, but it's the only thing that's undecided for my new HTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S Posted December 4, 2001 Author Share Posted December 4, 2001 thejson, The rack is made by Plateau. I purchased it locally. Their web site is www.plateaucorp.com. Ears and others, FWIW, I just made a slight change to the furniture in the room, adding a small bookcase under the shelf on the right front wall. This necessitated moving the right front sub. I placed it on top of the left front sub. In readjusting the levels, the following measurements were made at the listening position: 1khz-77db 80hz-76db (this is where the subs crossover to the Heresy's) 63hz-81db 50hz-79db 40hz-79db 31hz-77db 25hz-77db 20hz-75db This is the corrected response using a Radio Shack spl meter and Stereophiles Test CD #2. Not too shabby for a $1000 investment, I think. And my room is 20 x 24 and is open on one side to another room of similar size. In other words, these little subs have to move a lot of air. In an average size room, a single VTF-2 should perform similarly. IMHO, I have not seen a sub that gives the bang for the buck of the VTF-2. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Kevin, I just performed the same test with my Chorus I's and SVS 20-39CS w/Samson S700 amp. My results were not as good as yours and maybe you can explain why. I started with track 16 and set my volume on my Denon so that the first index (200hz) was at 75 db. I have my FL and FR settings at 0 and the SW setting at +4. Here are the results: 200hz-75db 160hz-79db 125hz-81db 100hz-79db _80hz-79db _63hz-78db _50hz-69db _40hz-74db _31hz-72db _25hz-70db _20hz-68db The rest goes something like this: __250hz-79db __315hz-75db __400hz-73db __500hz-73db __630hz-71db __800hz-73db _1000hz-73db _1250hz-72db _1600hz-73db _2000hz-75db _2500hz-72db _3150hz-71db _4000hz-75db _5000hz-75db _6300hz-75db _8000hz-74db 10000hz-72db 12500hz-67db 16000hz-61db 20000hz-58db This is anything but a flat frequency responce and is somewhat disappointing. Am I doing anything wrong or is this because of my room, speaker placement, etc? I see you based yours off of the 1000hz frequency (77db) and went from there. Am I supposed to do the same? I would think it wouldn't make that much of a difference. Thanks, Mike ------------------ My Music Systems This message has been edited by Mike Lindsey on 12-04-2001 at 12:21 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S Posted December 4, 2001 Author Share Posted December 4, 2001 Mike, Generally, 1 khz is used as the reference frequency when graphing frequency response. As for your measurements, the first thing is to make sure that you adjusted your readings for the known bass rolloff of the Radio Shack spl meter. The SVS web site has a page that shows the amounts to use for each frequency. With that said, smooth bass response at the listening position is very much a function of the room dimensions, the sub's location in the room and the crossover frequency between the sub and the mains. In my room, the smoothest readings I have gotten, by far, are with the subs in the room corners, my processor set to small speakers, using it's 80 hz crossover, and my subs crossover set to it's 60 hz low end limit. Doing this smooths out a 63 hz bump that is found in most rooms with 7 to 8 foot high ceilings. With my previous Klipschorns and Legacy Focus speakers the 63 hz bump was about 10db! So, if possible, I would start with the sub in the corner and massage the crossover and sub volume settings for the smoothest response. If you have a passive sub with a fixed crossover, I would place the sub in the corner to start and move the sub along the wall and check response at various points. Finally, if wall space is limited, move the sub straight out of the corner a few inches at a time, measuring at various points. I hope this helps. Edit: BTW, an in room frequency response that is +/- 5 db or so at the listening position would normally be considered quite good, so your measurements aren't bad at all. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000 This message has been edited by Kevin S on 12-04-2001 at 12:45 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Kevin, Thanks for the reply. I just emailed TV because I couldn't find the info you were talking about on their website. I think in the meantime, I will recalibrate my system, this time with my mains pushed back in the corners. Currently, I have them about 2 feet out into the room, pushed up against my 10' wall unit. As for the sub, it is situated in the only place I can put it in the room. It is against the left side wall (about 1" off the wall), next to the fireplace. Will let you know if moving the mains change anything... Mike ------------------ My Music Systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S Posted December 4, 2001 Author Share Posted December 4, 2001 Mike, try this link:http://www.svsubwoofers.com/RScompchart.htm ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Thanks, Kevin. I'll recalibrate and add those numbers back in and repost... Mike ------------------ My Music Systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted December 4, 2001 Share Posted December 4, 2001 Well, I just finished recalibrating and here are the new numbers (including the adjustments for the SPL meter): 200hz-75db 160hz-76db 125hz-80db 100hz-81db _80hz-78db (Fixed x-over in Denon to subwoofer) _63hz-75db _50hz-78db (This is about where my Chorus's rolloff) _40hz-83db _31hz-81db _25hz-81db _20hz-80db The rest goes something like this: __250hz-76db __315hz-78db __400hz-76db __500hz-75db __630hz-78db (650 is the mid x-over on the Chorus's) __800hz-77db _1000hz-76db _1250hz-78db _1600hz-79db _2000hz-79db _2500hz-77db _3150hz-76db _4000hz-79db _5000hz-81db _6300hz-79db _8000hz-77db (7k is the tweeter x-over on the Chorus's) 10000hz-74db 12500hz-71db 16000hz-66db 20000hz-61db Kevin, can you make any sense of this? I calibrated every speaker in my system to 76 db prior to this test. Thanks for any input... Mike ------------------ My Music Systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S Posted December 5, 2001 Author Share Posted December 5, 2001 Mike, From my experience your measurements look real good for an in room response. Your sub is doing it's job on the low end, and the roll off of your top end is a function of the spl meter, which is only flat up to 8-10 khz. You do not have the typical bump at 63 - 80 hz, which helps keep the bass from sounding boomy. If you listen at moderate to low levels, the slight rise in your bass is actually a good thing, since your hearing rolls off bass at moderate to low levels. If you listen at loud levels, you may actually want to back it down a few db, to keep the bass from being overpowering. As far as measurements go, I think you've pretty much got it. If your mains are positioned to where you are happy with the imaging, then you are done! Happy listening! ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted December 5, 2001 Share Posted December 5, 2001 Kevin, Thanks for the reply. I think I'll keep the sub where it is for all the 5 channel modes and back it off 2 db for direct and stereo modes. Thanks for all your help in this matter. I really do appreciate it... Mike ------------------ My Music Systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted December 6, 2001 Share Posted December 6, 2001 Hey guys, Here's a site to do a modification to the Radio Shack 33-2050 SPL meter for extended LF and HF frequency response. http://www.gti.net/wallin/ This way you don't have to calibrate for it's Low and High frequency anomalies. (Though the mic mod is recommended for the HF response, it's not really that necessary.) I did it, it's easy and the meter is really sensitive now.(I did not do the mic mod.) He has a mod for the Digital meter also. Interesting site. Check it out. THANX! Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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