An abundance of questions

[bismarck]

Again, have a few questions. I work at BB as many

of you know. I am slightly afraid to admit that on sites like this because,

yes, I know, there are people that work there that have no idea what they are

talking about. I also think that sometimes audiophiles can be unfair on the

average sales person. Most HT employees don't need to know about timbre

matching, what THD stands for or the difference in tube and solid-state amps.

I obviously have a synergy setup. I have been told repeatedly

how much better the reference series sounds compared to the synergy series and

that the sub-12 is the only good buy. This brings me to my first question. Why

would klipsch make 2 systems that cost the same but one is much better quality;

a high-end synergy compared to a low-end reference system? Is there just much

more markup on the synergy line? I consider myself an honest sales person. I

don't sell the most expensive monster speaker cable b/c I know the only thing

that really matters is that the resistance is kept less than 5% of the speaker

impedance. I think the synergy line sounds good especially since I have to

listen to many people claiming that Bose is the best speaker made [*-)].

I suppose the second question is for me. I want to upgrade

my system. Yes, I will keep with Synergy speakers, well....unless I get a

discount on Magnolia stuff. For the money I figure I would get the whole F-3

setup, again, because of the discount. Would that be a good idea? Alternatively,

should I see if I can't get discounts on some magnolia speakers? I wonder why I

ask such a question on Klipsch forums.

Finally, the third question. Optical and HMDI cables, we

offer AR pro series, AR pro series II and the monster 400, 600, 800 and 1000

series. As far as speaker cable I stick with AR. I have to be honest though,

Monster has good marketing. With optical and HDMI does monster make a

difference. There are a lot of smaller separated wires in HDMI cables for the

1080P video and 7.1 sound so I would figure you would want a high quality cable

to keep the information in the right cable isolated from the surrounding ones.

The 1000 series has silver over copper wires; I believe the 800 has better insulation

that the 600 which has the standard Mylar foil shielding, nitrogen-injected

dielectric etc...

Does it make a difference? I was told a very convincing story by my manager

about monster over AR, which I am okay with selling because one, it is not much

more and two, the customer wants the monster name. I, however, do not want to

feed to customer BS about how the 1000 cable will give a better A to B transfer

than the 600.

Now I thought of a fourth question. Maybe I should make separate

posts... Components. Am I going to notice a difference in wound

through my system going from a $20 DVD player to a $100 DVD player?

I promise this is the last question. Do time correction

windings in cables for high/low freq. make an audible difference?

[Duke Spinner]

. Do time correction

windings in cables for high/low freq. make an audible difference?

how in the world do the hi-frequency electrons know which path to take ..???

[bismarck]

That i wondered my-self. Apparently low-freq. travels slower,so they wind the high freq. wire around the low so there is more high freq wire. I wonder if they use a different guage to direct the freq. or something.

[wuzzzer]

What Duke is trying to say is that at the output terminals of a receiver the speaker wire is receiving the full range of sound, 20Hz to 20kHz or some variance of that. You can connect 50 speaker wires to that terminal at the same time and every wire will be sending the same full range signal to the speaker. Wires do not have anything even remotely close to an internal crossover in them to be able to direct any frequences through one set of wires as opposed to another set.

I use Monster Cables only because I bought them all years ago when I believed they were the best there was. Ironically I also used Bose speakers back then. I guess you can say I've come a long way. []

[wuzzzer]

As far as differences in DVD players, someone on here recently reported on their findings of 3-4 different players. He found that the biggest improvement from an el cheapo ($20) DVD player to a $100 or so player was the sound quality. Better bass, better clarity all around. Stepping up from there, the $300 or so player he tried had a definite improvement in picture quality, but the sound remained the same. At the $500 or so level the sound quality was better but this time picture quality remained similar.

I may be a little off on the above, but it was something to that effect. A new DVD player will be my next upgrade as it currently is the weakest link in my system. ($30 Magnavox player)

[bismarck]

QUOTE

Time-Correct Windings

Different frequency components of an

audio signal act in different ways as they travel along a length of

wire. Low frequencies travel more slowly than high frequencies, which

can result in timing discrepancies among different frequency bands,

especially over long cable runs. Moreover, different frequency

components naturally gravitate to different parts of the conductor:

more powerful bass frequencies tend to gather in the center of the

wire, forcing higher frequencies toward the outer edge. Armed with this

knowledge, Monster engineers devised an ingenious technique of winding

longer strands of higher-gauge wire around thicker, solid-core

conductors, forcing the faster high frequencies to travel a greater

distance to compensate for the lag in bass frequencies. When all the

frequency components arrive at their destination simultaneously, the

result is a noticeable improvement in clarity, dimension and stereo

image stability.

[Duke Spinner]

right ....

[wuzzzer]

QUOTE

Time-Correct Windings

Different frequency components of an audio signal act in different ways as they travel along a length of wire. Low frequencies travel more slowly than high frequencies, which can result in timing discrepancies among different frequency bands, especially over long cable runs. Moreover, different frequency components naturally gravitate to different parts of the conductor: more powerful bass frequencies tend to gather in the center of the wire, forcing higher frequencies toward the outer edge. Armed with this knowledge, Monster engineers devised an ingenious technique of winding longer strands of higher-gauge wire around thicker, solid-core conductors, forcing the faster high frequencies to travel a greater distance to compensate for the lag in bass frequencies. When all the frequency components arrive at their destination simultaneously, the result is a noticeable improvement in clarity, dimension and stereo image stability.

Honestly, reading that makes me want to get rid of the Monster Cable that I have.

[Cal Blacksmith]

Time-Correct Windings

Different frequency components of an

audio signal act in different ways as they travel along a length of

wire. Low frequencies travel more slowly than high frequencies, which

can result in timing discrepancies among different frequency bands,

especially over long cable runs. Moreover, different frequency

components naturally gravitate to different parts of the conductor:

more powerful bass frequencies tend to gather in the center of the

wire, forcing higher frequencies toward the outer edge. Armed with this

knowledge, Monster engineers devised an ingenious technique of winding

longer strands of higher-gauge wire around thicker, solid-core

conductors, forcing the faster high frequencies to travel a greater

distance to compensate for the lag in bass frequencies. When all the

frequency components arrive at their destination simultaneously, the

result is a noticeable improvement in clarity, dimension and stereo

image stability.

Electronics 101 class needed, anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

[bismarck]

like i said, i bought all AR so don't assuem i believe everything. Anyway, i am really, really excited because of what i just found out. I no longer have to get only synergy, i can order reference speakers in a few months!! Okay, well, not sure when, but i am thinking in a few months.

[bismarck]

like i said, i bought all AR so don't assume i believe everything. Anyway, i am really, really excited because of what i just found out. I no longer have to get only synergy, i can order reference speakers in a few months!! Okay, well, not sure when, but i am thinking in a few months.

[ScorpsFan]

bismark,

First, slow down, you're going to give yourself a coronary. Sounds like you have a very nice setup now and that you are planning for the future. (what all of us have or are doing) You are correct in asking about things you are unsure of. (saves on spending for things you find you really didn't want or like in the first place) If I were you, I'd wait a bit to see if that Magnolia discount comes through and in the mean time, surf through old posts here, there are many good ones on wires (speaker and interconnects) and don't let anyone razz you about Monster wire, you get the best you can afford that you find to do the job for your setup. I've used "stock came in the box wires", zip/lamp cord, Monster, AR, IXOS, KnuKonceptz and others, some because they did the job better, some because they fit in my cabinets easier and some because "it was cheap and in stock".

I guess what I'm saying is it's your system and it has to sound good to your ears, so you need to put in it what you want to get out of it, for some that's a quick fix and for others it's a lifetime addiction, welcome to the madness.....enjoy!

Best of luck.

[efzauner]

QUOTE

Time-Correct Windings

Different frequency components of an audio signal act in different ways as they travel along a length of wire. Low frequencies travel more slowly than high frequencies, which can result in timing discrepancies among different frequency bands, especially over long cable runs. Moreover, different frequency components naturally gravitate to different parts of the conductor: more powerful bass frequencies tend to gather in the center of the wire, forcing higher frequencies toward the outer edge. Armed with this knowledge, Monster engineers devised an ingenious technique of winding longer strands of higher-gauge wire around thicker, solid-core conductors, forcing the faster high frequencies to travel a greater distance to compensate for the lag in bass frequencies. When all the frequency components arrive at their destination simultaneously, the result is a noticeable improvement in clarity, dimension and stereo image stability.

The engineers at Monster must walk around with paper bags over their heads. No respecting engineer would stand behind this bullshit. Unfortunately, unless you have taken university level courses in electromagnetics, you are in no position to refute these bogus claims. And only a small fraction of the population has this level of education.