Allan Songer Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Quadrangle: http://youtube.com/watch?v=13ywEdcrrNg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmikid Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Mysterious and captivating. Fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted June 12, 2007 Author Share Posted June 12, 2007 Damn I miss him . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 reminds me of speed metal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 reminds me of speed metal... Are you joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 Not really. Please tell me in what way this performance reminds you of speed metal. I mean, on the face of it this is an astoundingly off the wall comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I was surprized by Dr Who's comment about speed metal, too; but I have a theory... The virtuosity of horn players in popular music has declined. Back when jazz was king it was not so unusual to hear a sax solo develop and extend for many minutes.. in more recent times, modern popular music has relagated the sax to either accompanyment phrases or breif uninspiring solos of simple slow pentatonic scales entrapped in the modes of the song's chord progression (classic pop tune third verse solo). Many modern era listeners to popular music may not know the work from the old jazz players or may never have had exposure to it because of modern radio and CD markets. I'm not saying Dr Who has not heard this, but he represents a younger generation of listeners with more exposure to or involvement with modern popular music. One area of popular modern music where the soloist does play fast extended solos is in speed metal, and the more accomplished of the lead guitar players use multiple melodic modes (many of them stolen from jazz); these modes being not based on the simple chord progression.. to good effect. Some of these solos take many minutes to develop and extend their ideas. I can see how Dr Who would make this connection nowadays. Fusion might be a better connection - its jazzy and also has fast players, heres one I like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 I was surprized by Dr Who's comment about speed metal, too; but I have a theory... The virtuosity of horn players in popular music has declined. Back when jazz was king it was not so unusual to hear a sax solo develop and extend for many minutes.. in more recent times, modern popular music has relagated the sax to either accompanyment phrases or breif uninspiring solos of simple slow pentatonic scales entrapped in the modes of the song's chord progression (classic pop tune third verse solo). Many modern era listeners to popular music may not know the work from the old jazz players or may never have had exposure to it because of modern radio and CD markets. I'm not saying Dr Who has not heard this, but he represents a younger generation of listeners with more exposure to or involvement with modern popular music. One area of popular modern music where the soloist does play fast extended solos is in speed metal, and the more accomplished of the lead guitar players use multiple melodic modes (many of them stolen from jazz); these modes being not based on the simple chord progression.. to good effect. Some of these solos take many minutes to develop and extend their ideas. I can see how Dr Who would make this connection nowadays. Fusion might be a better connection - its jazzy and also has fast players, heres one I like Uh . . . .Okay, then . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Maybe it just sounds like noise to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Rinaldi Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Maybe it just sounds like noise to him. You are not making Alan happy with your comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I was thinking along the sames lines, but though some sublimation might ease the pain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 terrifically smokin. hot band too. too bad there's like 100 people in the field waiting for nightfall and some big name band that would probably fall far short of this afternoon performance. and yes, I get Doc's comment. not a slam at all Allan, not to worry. it was Doc's way of complimenting the virtuosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Maybe the traditional style of the shakuhachi would be a better comparison? I think that works out quite well actually....shakuhachi AND speed metal. http://youtube.com/watch?v=lr47ZCLPDdk (a bit too modern, but it gets the idea across) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 In more recent times, modern popular music has relagated the sax to either accompanyment phrases or breif uninspiring solos of simple slow pentatonic scales entrapped in the modes of the song's chord progression (classic pop tune third verse solo).I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted June 15, 2007 Author Share Posted June 15, 2007 Maybe the traditional style of the shakuhachi would be a better comparison? I think that works out quite well actually....shakuhachi AND speed metal. http://youtube.com/watch?v=lr47ZCLPDdk (a bit too modern, but it gets the idea across) I disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 That's ok, it's all just noise anyway [] I still think the connections are strong. On one hand you've got almost seemingly random technical playing and no body language, and on the other you've got the breathe controlled meter (where's the rhythm?!?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Rinaldi Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 I was thinking along the sames lines, but though some sublimation might ease the pain... I doubt it from what I have read in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Rinaldi Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 In more recent times, modern popular music has relagated the sax to either accompanyment phrases or breif uninspiring solos of simple slow pentatonic scales entrapped in the modes of the song's chord progression (classic pop tune third verse solo). I disagree. I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Rinaldi Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Maybe the traditional style of the shakuhachi would be a better comparison? I think that works out quite well actually....shakuhachi AND speed metal. http://youtube.com/watch?v=lr47ZCLPDdk (a bit too modern, but it gets the idea across) I disagree I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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