colterphoto1 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 if you can guess who that is on the left your a real dandy Jim Dandy to the rescue... go Jim Dandy, GO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 That's not johnyholiday with Edgar ? Jim Dandy Magnum from Black Oak Arkansas............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputnik Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 That's not johnyholiday with Edgar ? Jim Dany Magnum from Black Oak Arkansas............. You guys are a bit late on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg928gts Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Back in the 80's, when I was working with "The Upsetters", a local blues band, the bass player would subtly work in the melody of Frankenstein while walking the bass lines in various blues tunes. Pretty funny. I'm sure this was done a lot in other bands too. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigonion Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 FYI from ronniemontrose.com The first time I saw Edgar perform was with his brother Johnny at Fillmore West. Johnny played a hot set, and in the middle of it, out comes Edgar... his presence on sax and Hammond B3 did nothing short of blow the roof off the joint (or at least help Johnny finish the job)! The next time was when I was doing a small tour with Boz Scaggs as the second guitarist in his band (side note: Boz is a great guitarist!) and we opened for White Trash somewhere in the Midwest. I remember standing on the side of the stage with my mouth hanging open! Heavy, powerful R&B coming from that band! I didn't actually meet Edgar on that tour, only saw him play, and am not sure if he heard me play that night. But when I got back from that tour, I received a call from a fellow who knew my style of playing would be right, who told me that Edgar's management was looking for a guitarist for what was to become "The Edgar Winter Group." They wanted to have a rock band as opposed to an R&B band, and needed a "rock guitarist"... His manager, Steve Paul called me in California, and asked if I would be interested in coming to New York to audition. My first response was concern for getting back to California in case it didn't work out! I was sent a round-trip ticket, and don't believe I used the return half... My previous gigs with Van and Boz were more Blues/R&B based, and even though that was truly Edgar's background, this chapter of my playing would be my first introduction to what we called "Coliseum Rock"... I recall calling home and stating that I couldn't believe I was having so much fun, and actually getting paid for it! I used Johnny's amps for the first shows, and had only one guitar - I broke a string during the show, and had to change it between songs... needless to say, I got a spare guitar immediately after that! I had boundless energy on-stage, and people responded to it nightly. There seemed to be a "chemistry" balance between Edgar and myself, and I always enjoyed the musical energy exchange between us. (Keep in mind that I was still trying to learn how to properly play, and hadn't started writing much of anything... at that time, a simple thing like "vibrato" was a challenge!) The band went through a few drummers in the beginning (Andy Newmark, Rick Marotta, and a couple of others) before we settled on Chuck Ruff - connection: Chuck was in the band "Sawbuck" with me in California. Bass was handled by Randy Jo Hobbs ("White Trash," "Johnny Winter And") until he had a stroke and couldn't continue. I recall we were backstage literally right before a show we were playing in Texas when it happened to Randy... he was taken to the hospital, and the show was sold out, so Dan Hartman simply picked up the bass and the show went on. An altogether eerie night, to say the least... Dan Hartman was the other guitarist in the band and when we officially became a "four piece" that night, switched over to bass. My memories of Dan are good ones... very "up", talented, enthusiastic, etc... I heard tape demos that Dan had made at his home using a pair of two-track tape recorders bouncing overdubs back and forth that blew my mind! He would use things like cardboard boxes for drums, etc., a prodigy in every sense of the word... Both Randy and Dan have passed away, and are missed by many... When we became the "four piece", we went into the studio in New York City to record this album. It spawned the songs, "Frankenstein" and "Free Ride," still staples on classic radio today... I don't think anyone in the entire organization had any idea how huge "Frankenstein" would become... I sure didn't! We played constantly, on many, many shows of all sizes from 450 people to 450,000 people and eventually, I grew "restless" and felt the need to "stretch out" on my own... Back home to California then, the story continues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 onion, good write-up, lot of infomation...............I believe Dan Hartman went on to become a producer of many disco type albums...Free Ride was a great song too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Rinaldi Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Back in the 80's, when I was working with "The Upsetters", a local blues band, the bass player would subtly work in the melody of Frankenstein while walking the bass lines in various blues tunes. Pretty funny. I'm sure this was done a lot in other bands too. Greg The Frankenstein melody is pretty neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Rinaldi Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 FYI from ronniemontrose.com The first time I saw Edgar perform was with his brother Johnny at Fillmore West. Johnny played a hot set, and in the middle of it, out comes Edgar... his presence on sax and Hammond B3 did nothing short of blow the roof off the joint (or at least help Johnny finish the job)! The next time was when I was doing a small tour with Boz Scaggs as the second guitarist in his band (side note: Boz is a great guitarist!) and we opened for White Trash somewhere in the Midwest. I remember standing on the side of the stage with my mouth hanging open! Heavy, powerful R&B coming from that band! I didn't actually meet Edgar on that tour, only saw him play, and am not sure if he heard me play that night. But when I got back from that tour, I received a call from a fellow who knew my style of playing would be right, who told me that Edgar's management was looking for a guitarist for what was to become "The Edgar Winter Group." They wanted to have a rock band as opposed to an R&B band, and needed a "rock guitarist"... His manager, Steve Paul called me in California, and asked if I would be interested in coming to New York to audition. My first response was concern for getting back to California in case it didn't work out! I was sent a round-trip ticket, and don't believe I used the return half... My previous gigs with Van and Boz were more Blues/R&B based, and even though that was truly Edgar's background, this chapter of my playing would be my first introduction to what we called "Coliseum Rock"... I recall calling home and stating that I couldn't believe I was having so much fun, and actually getting paid for it! I used Johnny's amps for the first shows, and had only one guitar - I broke a string during the show, and had to change it between songs... needless to say, I got a spare guitar immediately after that! I had boundless energy on-stage, and people responded to it nightly. There seemed to be a "chemistry" balance between Edgar and myself, and I always enjoyed the musical energy exchange between us. (Keep in mind that I was still trying to learn how to properly play, and hadn't started writing much of anything... at that time, a simple thing like "vibrato" was a challenge!) The band went through a few drummers in the beginning (Andy Newmark, Rick Marotta, and a couple of others) before we settled on Chuck Ruff - connection: Chuck was in the band "Sawbuck" with me in California. Bass was handled by Randy Jo Hobbs ("White Trash," "Johnny Winter And") until he had a stroke and couldn't continue. I recall we were backstage literally right before a show we were playing in Texas when it happened to Randy... he was taken to the hospital, and the show was sold out, so Dan Hartman simply picked up the bass and the show went on. An altogether eerie night, to say the least... Dan Hartman was the other guitarist in the band and when we officially became a "four piece" that night, switched over to bass. My memories of Dan are good ones... very "up", talented, enthusiastic, etc... I heard tape demos that Dan had made at his home using a pair of two-track tape recorders bouncing overdubs back and forth that blew my mind! He would use things like cardboard boxes for drums, etc., a prodigy in every sense of the word... Both Randy and Dan have passed away, and are missed by many... When we became the "four piece", we went into the studio in New York City to record this album. It spawned the songs, "Frankenstein" and "Free Ride," still staples on classic radio today... I don't think anyone in the entire organization had any idea how huge "Frankenstein" would become... I sure didn't! We played constantly, on many, many shows of all sizes from 450 people to 450,000 people and eventually, I grew "restless" and felt the need to "stretch out" on my own... Back home to California then, the story continues... You don't post much but when you do, you have a lot to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roc Rinaldi Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 onion, good write-up, lot of infomation...............I believe Dan Hartman went on to become a producer of many disco type albums...Free Ride was a great song too..... Free Ride good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Roadwork/White Trash- a double LP with Edgar Winter, Jerry Lacroix, Rick Derringer and group. At one point Edgar steps up to the mic and says 'people keep asking me, uh, where's your brother?' to which the place erupts and Johnny joins in. One of my fave old LP's from high school days. Frankenstein has been the ruination of many a fine tweeter. Just can't take those heavy synth hits. I always thought the tweeter test was from ELP's Pic's at an Ex., when Emerson does that sweep during his solo before Nutrocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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