Mallette Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 >This was the assumption. One wonders whether the natural world - or even our arguably unnatural one would allow for such expansion. So many factors...etc.I covered the possibility that natural law might well prevent that by thinning or killing us off in an earlier response. I consider that part of what we are trying to avoid. >To re-iterate - the reason I would call this assumptive is that you are talking about approaching limits behaviour and this is something we are yet to have truely experienced. There may indeed be some leming in us afterall....Patience, please. The structure of your sentence suggests you are calling what I percieve to be "facts" to be "assumptions" because they evoke a vision not to humankinds liking. If that is not the case I am NOT trying to put words in your mouth. Please explain. >Is it such a stretch to imagine that a given family in the far flung future would have to prove that a relative has died in orde to gain a "breeding licence". This might being us out in hives today - but in a world of, say 14 billion people it might be a wholy acceptable proposition.Not without a fight. Further, simply holding at 14 billion only delays the inevitable. Non-renewable resources are, well, non-renewable. Granted, at that point my view might be more popular as folks grow a bit weary of watching re-runs over a dinner of soylent green in a featureless cube. Nice spacious dome on the moon might start to look pretty good. A note on non-renewable resources: Being employed by a drilling company that builds and operates the most advanced oil/gas drilling rigs on the planet, I am acutely aware of this fact. We are making more and more money as the stuff is harder and harder to get. My son wants to work here...it's a great company. But we are not diversified so I've told him the company won't be here. 50 years, at best. Enjoy cheap, abundant petroleum and gas while you can. And by "cheap," I mean 100.00 a barrel. It won't be that cheap for long. We've already reached the point where we are drilling more wells than ever before, but world production is not increasing, nor will it. It will simply hold steady, then start to decline. >Right now interstellar travel (not intergalactic - a whole new realm) is entirely science fantasy - not science fiction. We aint even close. We aint even on the starting line - we are further away from this than we are from stone-age man. How do I put this? Lets talk again in a thousand years.Since most of the material between the sentence quoted above and this one can be dealt with from here, no comment on those parts. The first few statements lack scientific support and are opinion. I am not saying they are wrong, mind you, just that you cannot prove the negative. However, the last line I can offer some thoughts on. Quite a few respected researchers suggest that old age will be dealt with in the next fifty years. The mechanism is well understood. It's simple, effective programming designed to create us by ensuring rapid (by geologic time standards) evolution. This is done by programming cells to divide a certain number of times and then stop doing so. Now that we are here, we don't need it anymore and are approaching the ability to improve ourselves at will rather than through random selection. So we will turn it off. Off course, we will still have accidents and disease to deal with, but we will do that as well...and long before a thousand years. In fact, my belief (no support for this except the mind-boggling acceleration of discovery) would be that humankind will have long since become non-corporal before a thousand years have passed, and this discussion moot. Now, if the above either offends you or strikes you as insane babbling, ignore it and concentrate on this. Simply consider the acceleration we have seen in knowledge during our lives. As a child, I lay in bed and dreamed of some little device that could project a movie on the cieling...in color, no less. Heck, might as well dream big. I'd never even seen a color television at that time. Now, I can buy an LED projector exactly that size that will do exactly that. Not even the most advanced scientist at that time would have suggested I would ever live to see that. Just a small thing, but so indicative of the utter futility of saying what can or cannot be done or how long it will take. >If you play every week you will win one day - but when that day is .....But if you don't play, you are GUARANTEED not to win! Thanks again for forcing my brain off its duff... Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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