Jaques Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Todd, PMSUMMER - thanks as well (didn't see your posts)...reviewing your info. Hope the photos help identify them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaques Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Todd, PMSUMMER - thanks for the infor as well (didn't see your posts)...reviewing your info. Hope the photos help identify the model I think are Black Boxes. I've probably confused things a bit...here are the Frazier models I have: - Super Midgets (blown driver) - Black Boxes, I think (play fine) - Dixielanders (bad woofer, I think) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Crane Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Jaques, those are REAL old Black Box 1's, but I don't remember what they were called finished...They were produced back in the late 50's or early 60's, and up until the early70's probably the best thing Jack Frazier ever made, although they could use a little high end help, but the base was OUTSTANDING, clean and tight for that light-duty 8" driver. You have yourself some GREAT vintage Frazier's. Congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaques Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Todd - thanks a million. You're spot-on with your assessment of their sound. They're going to stay completely stock. If possible, I'd like to find an original replacement driver for the Super Midgets (one is sitting on top of the one of the Black Boxes in the photo...same wood which I believe is Black Walnut and same cosmetics/wood as the Black Boxes...it looks as if the Super Midgets had feet or stand-offs that were removed from the bottom of the cabinets). Thanks again and I'll be starting the excavation on the Dixielanders in the next few week and report my findings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmsummer Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Those look like Del Mars to me. Or something like that. Pictures are too dark to see the finish. Stained plywood? Veneer (my guess). I think I can make out a trim piece around the grill. Interesting. Same "module" as the Black Box, but I don't think any BB had scalloped sides, arched back board and horizontal alignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Crane Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Jaques..You'll have to take the back off the Midget, and take the speaker out, and measure it. It will eith be a 4" driver, or a 5 1/2" driver. The 4" will be easy to find. Yes an early Bose (cough, Cough) 4" driver will work fine, since they stole our driver, and had it made for themselves YEARS and years ago. The 5 1/2" will be harder to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaques Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Thanks, Todd...the driver's cone is 4". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaques Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Some additional photos (cosmetics/wood are the same for Super Midgets and quasi Black Boxes): http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/jaquesofspeed/Frazier%20Speakers/Picture169.jpg http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/jaquesofspeed/Frazier%20Speakers/Picture167.jpg http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/jaquesofspeed/Frazier%20Speakers/Picture168.jpg http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/jaquesofspeed/Frazier%20Speakers/Picture165.jpg Black Boxes serial numbers are 11593 & 12105. Have been listening to all 4 discs of the "Citizen Steely Dan" box on them (hearing things I haven't heard before and I've listened to many of these tunes hundreds of times over the decades...old f'art)...anxious to listen to the Dixielanders as what I heard in my prelim listen was tantalizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagh Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 WOW! Those are some great looking BB's and the small "arc" on the back reminds me of old furniture washboards or dressers of the 60's (Sorta, kinda) However as Todd mentioned, yes they are a great example of the earlier Fraziers. The cabs don't look too bad either. Maybe a Watco refinish job of some sort and clean up the griil cloth and they're almost like new! Thanks for sharing. Where are you located anyway?! As everyone here will tell you, I'm the resident Frazier hoarder! (I'm in the Carolina's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Crane Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Jaques...Those BB-1's, are finished product, from 1959. I'm racking my brain to tell you the model, cause I used to sell them retail at Key Electronics in Arlington, VA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Crane Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Frazier Delmar they also made it with a different back top that looked like early american furniture....but that was an EARLY Delmar 1956 to 1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaques Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Todd, thanks for the info on the Delmar's. Am I correct in assuming they are the same configuration (drivers, x-overs, internal cabinet volume, loading) as the Black Box I's? Just asking so I can associate any specs, etc. I might see in the future. Also, as you know I'd like to replace the blown Super Midget driver with an original 4" one (unless it's cost prohibitive and them I'd settle for a pair of Bose Series I drivers and make my single one available). Any sources, suggestions, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaques Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 pmsummer - I see you were the first to properly indentify them as the Del Mar model...thank you. Am I correct in assuming they are the same configuration (drivers, x-overs, internal cabinet volume, loading) as the Black Box I's? Just asking so I can associate any specs, etc. I might see in the future. Do you know of a source for an original 4" Super Midget driver? If I were to replace both with Bose 901 drivers, would you recommend Series I drivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Crane Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Maybe you guys remember my sending you to Bill Wadkins, Jack's Engineering wiz, who designed the Frazier amps, and worked with White with Frazier's commercial eq stuff, etc. I just learned last night, that Bill passed away last March. He was 83. If you want to see the obit, just google William A. Wadkins, Jr. and go to the Dallas Morning News web site. Bill was quite a fellow, he did a lot for Jack, in the 17 years he was at Frazier. Matter of fact, he is the only one that stayed on to help after the Company was sold after Jack's death in 1983. Bill was a devout person, and I'm sure now rests in God's loving arms. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Crane Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 William Wadkins Jr. Obituary: View William Wadkins's Obituary by Dallas Mornin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagh Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Pair of these for 250 in NY. Someone should go and get them! http://longisland.craigslist.org/ele/2474194708.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsalling Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Just picked up a really nice set of Seven-A. Great condition, including grills. But the woofers have slits in the surrounds... any advice on reconing them or even replacing them with something newer/better? Will be in touch about rebuilding the crossovers also... Thanks! Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Crane Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 The first thing to do is get them re-coned. Depending on where you are. Why re-build the crossover? If it ain't broke , don't fix it LOL. I have Frazier's from the 80's, 70's, 60's, and 50's with NOTHING changed in them! I'd say get them re-coned rather than trying to improve them (what is in there was to Jack's specs, and the best fit for the cabinets.) Then sit back and enjoy the music that those SEVEN's will play for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagh Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Todd, What are the "A's" anyway? Piezos or horns? I have a couple pair of 12's somewhere. Where is this guy located and his he new (hope he's nopt a flipper! Sell them to us if you are dude!) or is he genuine? I'll help out our guys. Flippers are on your own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmsummer Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Just picked up a really nice set of Seven-A. Great condition, including grills. But the woofers have slits in the surrounds... any advice on reconing them or even replacing them with something newer/better? Will be in touch about rebuilding the crossovers also... Thanks! Danny If the surrounds have slits, as opposed to the cones, no need to recone them. Just replace the surrounds. If you want them done professionally, send them to Freeman-Tuell in Dallas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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