Parrot

Your comment, Dean, about needing to hear the speakers in your own room is very profound. I reckon not hearing them before hand can be a good thing - you're not going to form an incorrect view as to how they might sound at home... According to the Bad Cowboy, talking about room characteristics is kind of laughable. He claimed, I think it was in this very thread, that the room doesn't matter much with Jubilees because of their directivity.

Yeah, Audio Flynn, I noticed that the Bad Cowboy breezed right by your request for Jubilee info in a summarized concise manner and for a cohesive sales and marketing "fact sheet" that would encourage me to consider this speaker. He was too busy taunting the Parrot.

Boy is there ever a bunch of arguing here about something that I never said or did. Where the heck did I ever try to convince Dean not to buy Jubilees? I did recommend that he enclose the tops. Apparently most of you don't understand that Dean values aesthetics.

Someone needs to get a life. Seriously, Ben, your fixation on the Parrot is pathological. I'm not kidding. What is this, about your 1000th personal attack on the Parrot? Is that your only reason for being here? Does complaining about the Parrot give some meaning to your life?

Dean hasn't heard Jubilees, so he's not buying them because he likes the sound. He's buying them because he thinks he'll like the sound--and he probably will as long as he just buys the bass cabinet. Putting together his own top should be ideal for him as far as tinkering goes because he'll have countless permutations available for him, more than enough to make his brain reel. He's not going to be happy with the looks, though, and you can take that to the bank.

Bad Cowboy, You make assertions, you don't offer any evidence. And your silly retort to anyone who dares to disagree with the legendary genius who is the Bad Cowboy is that everybody is envious of Jubilee owners. If you could only buy a clue.

Your dodges aren't fooling anyone, Bad Cowboy. You always hide from serious discussion of the Jubilee. Instead of answering questions, you resort to playground taunts. It is remarkable that a Klipsch employee presents such an unprofessional front in a company forum.

What grade are you in again?

Dean, Aren't you the guy who spent an extra four thousand dollars on Khorns to get a pair that didn't have a nick or scratch in the veneer? Or am I confusing you with someone else? EDIT: Heck, I'm sorry, I must be, because if that were you, there's no way you'd want some rough finished black theater speaker with an exposed top horn in his house.

Pure Guess Work On Your Part Paul With No Facts To Back It UP! Nope! Not A Single Bit Of Guesswork Involved. Are You Denying That The Khorn Is A More Difficult Build? Are You Denying That Crossover Networks Are Not Included? Are You Denying The Top Is Not Finished? Just What Are You Trying To Say Here?

I have my doubts about that but may never know for certain.

Is this question for Dean only or can anyone answer?

Looky here: http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/permalink/533211/533216/ShowThread.aspx#533216 Nothing wrong with the Jubilee that Valerie is posing with. Quite the difference between that and what is being sold now.

Instead of drinking the Kool-Aid, I'm going to have a glass of chocolate milk.

The man-hours (may very well be woman-hours in this case) of building a Jubilee bass bin should be less than for the Klipschorn. The Klipschorn has a lot of little pieces in it to cut. The Jubilees that you guys are getting don't even have crossover networks. And then you've got no finished top at all, not even a front like the old Khorn Decorator models. How do the prices compare?

What about the Forum members who are getting tired of people continually persisting in being positive?

Shipping to the front door? That's even more of a travesty then, if dealers are getting a 100% markup on them and not even handling them. Thousands of dollars for passing on an order!!!!!!!!!!!! Dang, where do I sign up to be a Jubilee middleman?

Mike, I promoted the true home Jubilee years before you ever even thought of it. I'm not the only one who thinks the looks of what is being offered as a home version now is awful looking. Other people just choose to be silent about it. That way they don't get criticized, for one thing.

The real problem with the supposed high cost of the horn is the couple of 100% markups involved before it would reach the customer. With that in mind, the best bang for the buck is to go with a savvy independent supplier. If a fully finished pair of Jubilees fit for a home would cost the customer $20,000, remember that $10,000 of that would go to the dealer for the hard work of taking your order and passing it on to Klipsch. Now if a dealer were willing to be compensated for that massive amount of effort to the tune of, say, $500 (which would work out to a rate of $2000/hr), the finished Jubilees in this scenario would cost only $10,500. Many Forum members over the years have advocated that the marketing of Jubilees (and for that matter, larger Heritage) be handled in a different way. Unfortunately they were ignored. Oh well, on the bright side, Jubilees are flying out of the factory like hotcakes.

I agree with you there.

I doubt it would be too expensive for the "unusual" people who buy Jubilees. Your friend Al Klappenberger was able to get aftermarket horns made for Khorns/Belles/La Scalas for a reasonable enough price that he was able to make a profit on them and still find people to buy them. Surely Klipsch could get good horns at an equal or better price than Al can. But maybe not. Maybe Al has more pull with vendors and can get a better deal than a corporation like Klipsch? Feelings or no feelings, the 402 is not fit for home viewing. The "wood" one in the picture with PWK looks nice, and the other prototype that was built and finished sort of like the top of a Khorn would also work well in a living room. The 402 belongs behind a movie screen.

functioned as a tweeter?

Well, yeah, I was wrong about that. But the other mocking and derisive comments were spot on.

Diplomacy is essentially a BIG FAT LIE.

By the way, this thread was not meant to be about one particular individual. That is why I started a new thread with it, so that it would not be mistaken to be about anyone who had posted in the thread already.