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And where's my buddy Jazman? And Neo33? Painful Reality got a life, so it makes sense that he's gone. I miss JulieHeartKlipsch.
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This guy sounds like a customer to me. A real customer. One that buys new speakers, not used speakers. A guy that adds to Klipsch's bottom line and keeps the 'Heritage' line alive, unlike the masses here that buy second hand speakers.
You are right buddy, many here have no life. They do have little sense though. Good luck getting your speakers. And please do not judge everyone here by the few goofballs that have responded negatively.
Keith
When you've got a point, you've got a point.
The Klipsch people who have responded in this thread are eager to get to the bottom of the problem. They want to keep the customer satisfied.
People who are attacking Mr. Thermalup for complaining are not doing anyone any favors.
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As you know, Dean, I've encouraged you in these threads to buy Jubilees, especially when you were going to buy just the bass bins. They would be the perfect vehicle for you to tinker around with the top, with almost endless possibilities to feed your ravenous hunger for continually having something different. Knowing your aesthetic sense, my main concern was that you covered up whatever horn you ended up with.
I'm a little surprised that you're buying into the 402 spiel whole hog. You do seem to be quite an amazing expert on these things considering you haven't heard them. But why let that little matter get in your way?
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I used to do a lot climbing. We'd hit base camp at around 6000 feet and the last thing some of the guys wanted to do was get up the next morning and haul gear and rope up to the top while engaged in class III scrambling. It's more fun talking about doing it than actually doing it. A few would always decide it was more 'fun' to stay at 6000 feet and relax. The rest of us would leave them behind and go. On the way home, the guys that stayed were always kicking themselves in the ***.
I can only sit dumbstruck, in total awe at your brave soul, willing to risk it all in climbing to such lofty heights. When you're up there in the heavens, looking down on us mere mortals, it must indeed drill home your superiority to the weak at heart. We must look like so many little ants to you, you are so high.
What an interesting analogy, mountain climbing and Jubilees. Would it be a fair comparison to have one of these little ants scaling the monstrous 402, looking down scornfully at other ants from his colony who are busy walking around on Bose cubes?
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45: Laughably low power. Will compress/clip just about any signal fed to it louder than a chick jazz singer performing in a motel lounge, whispering throatily to drunk businessmen. For the most extreme of the "less is more" crowd.
2A3: Not enough power to do justice to full spectrum music. Unrealistically heightened midrange--hence, sounds like music you've never heard.
300B: More power, but lacking the so-called magic of the 2A3. SET for people who want it both ways (magic midrange *and* power) but they wind up heavily compromised in both areas.
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Gee whiz... could it have something to do with the frequency respose of reflected sound? I mean, would it be an advantage to have the reflections sound similar to the direct sound? Hmmmm....
C'mon man. I had 70 year old church customers that understood the advantage of that.
A pair of Bose 901 would be perfect for you. They tackled that little problem by making all their sound reflected sound.
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If not, we have a great (could not have documented it better myself) occupational disease claim when Steve has hearing trouble.
Is it any wonder that all the world likes lawyer jokes?
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You guys be nice to Polly
This is their nice, Trey!
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I really don't care about newer Klipsch speakers. Old Heritage is good enough for me and for the majority of the people on the Forum, for that matter. Now of course gearheads are going to think that they can always improve things and that new is better. This is called "nowism," root word "now."
The issue at hand is the K-403 which PWK chose for his home Jubilee, versus the K-402 which he SAW but never considered for the home Jubilee. The K-402 is the horn that the Bad Cowboy is pushing. The important thing is whether the K-403 would be perfectly fine in a home environment for normal people, or whether one has to use the so-called butt-ugly monstrosity that is the K-402.
For some reason, the Bad Cowboy does not want to discuss the K-403 unless it is pulled out of him, tiny info bit by tiny info bit. Interesting, isn't it?
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Bad Cowboy,
You wanted me to check with PWK to ask him where he put your slide rule. Well, I got out the OUIJA board and put your question to him. He was surprised that you didn't already know but suggested that you go to your local airport.
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It's funny, isn't it, that Shawn and the Bad Cowboy refuse to post the polar patterns of all Klipsch Heritage speakers. After all, we might just see that those simply dreadful "collapsing vertical polar patterns" aren't anything to lose sleep over after all. We might see that the 402 is great for the most anal of gearheads but silly for normal people.
Anyway, Shawn, I don't see why you let any speaker component limitations trouble you when you can just fool around with your Lexicon and make everything perfect.
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The box robs you of an important feature -- the ability to adjust the bracket so you can point the horn down into the area where you are sitting. This is critical for me -- I have to have that. If not, the horn/driver would be shooting three feet over my head.
As I posted in another thread, Andy wrote this:
The plans for the home-version Jubilee when I saw it were to
incorporate a vertically adjustable arcing device for the tweeter
horn...IOW...you could adjust its aim up and down somewhat...using
screw-wheel adjusters at the rear of the mounting of it...and all of
this VISIBLE hardware was/is? planned to be gold anodized, etc...for
aesthetic reasons...the center finely veneered panel was also designed
to be removable and replaceable...so that one could adapt the speaker
to changing decor of the room over time....whereas the Klipschorn is
"what you see is what you get"!: aesthetic versatility matchpoint,
Jubilee!This would have been for the 403, I would guess. It would render moot the 402's superiority verticalwise.
Also it was a really cool idea to have the front veneer panel be something that could slide off. That way if you wanted to change the wood look to oak, say, you could, or if you scraped it all up like Roy did with the Jubilee in his lab, you could easily fix it.
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The decorator model of the Khorns looks great.
The essential design of the bass bin of the Jubilee looks good too. All it needs is veneer on front and grilles. Now the 402, that is another matter. Dean may be right, though, that with its kooky dimensions, covering it up might make it look even worse (if that's possible).
Somebody mentioned there was a covered-up 402 at Hope. Anybody have a picture of that?
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uh.....no.....paul saw the 402 and the 940 and the 941and the 150....
Okay, so he SAW it, but he didn't hear it. Did he say "You've got to be kidding!" when he SAW the thing? Or did he say, "That's perfect for my living room!"
Seriously, Mr. Cowboy, we both know that PWK would never have considered the 402 acceptable for a home Jubilee.
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Yup that has Dean written all over it !!
You're right. I missed that first time around.
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Better can mean better specs, an objective measurement. Preferable is a different matter, and is subjective. I preferred the stock horn and tweeter on La Scalas when I heard them, as opposed to Al K.'s trachorn and a fancy tweeter. I wasn't the only one, either. The aftermarket stuff sounded fine, and I'd be happy enough with it, but I preferred the factory stock items.
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Now it makes sense, thanks. If he guaranteed it, then he should fix it for free. Then again, if it's a new problem, that's different. Bottom line, it's unacceptable as is and would drive you crazy if you kept using it.
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Well now, if you don't know the answer to that question you shouldn't be telling Roy Delgado what horns he should be using.
Actually, I do know the answer, just like I knew the answer to my central K-402 question. I'm just putting them out there to enlighten the non-Kool-Aid drinkers.
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Since you have nothing better to do, why don't you post the vertical polar responses for all Klipsch Heritage speakers, and overlay them on the K-510 and K-402? Thanks in advance.
I have this funny preference of listening to music instead of pink noise and test tones, but to each his own.
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All you need to do is get out the Checkbook. Why not put your money where your beak is. C'mon man, lead the way, show us all how it's done.
No, I want lots of other people buying home Jubilees, and then in twenty years or so, maybe I can save a few bucks and buy a pair on eBay.
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If understand this correctly, this means that with higher frequency, the "beamwidth" for lack of a better layman's term, gets narrower in the vertical but is maintaned in the horizontal. This would appear to be a good design choice (trade-off?) to get a smaller, more aesthetically pleasing, yet still good sounding, horn, right? Since the 402 is being used behind a screen (it's design intent) then bigger is better and aesthetics be damned, it's the performance........................................am I on the right track here?
Sounds reasonable to me. To know if it really is an issue or not, it'd be interesting to know whether all Klipsch Heritage has "collapsing vertical polar patterns."
Considering that PWK used the K-403, it warrants consideration. He could have had a 6-foot square high frequency horn if he wanted to, but he chose one that made sense in a home.
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Revenue generated on EBay is already taxable! Always has been!
If you are a vendor you are required to report income from EBay as income.
But the proposal is not just for people who make a living at it (vendors) but everyone. Don't even try to tell me that average people who sell a CD or a book or a receiver on eBay pay taxes on it currently.
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Among all of this, even though the buzzing isn't fixed, i have to look at the good side also. Ryan took this in and did a heck of a lot of rebuilding to it, and i do appreciate that. It does sound much better all the way around. It took him a lot of time to do all of this, and it's a very nice thing to do for no cost. Even if the buzzing is still there, it's like i have a new amp, and i can't complain about that. Thank You.
I may have missed the explanation, but why did he do this for free?
Where's Dodger?
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I miss Thebes. Oh, wait, there you are! The man who started the single longest running thread on the Klipsch Forum. Take a bow.