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I'm playing with the idea of getting a new AVR. I just feel that Kilpsch Support is feeding me a bunch of bull. I bet most of the folks that are buying Reference line speakers are using AVR's similar, or slightly better then mine. Wouldn't Klipsch be receiving a huge volume of complaints/warranty requests if this were true. Also, you would think that they would put a warning message in big red letters in all of their product manuals, as well as their product pages as well.
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I don't play at reference levels. If it were the avr, wouldn't my rf82 and s10 tweeters also be blown?
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So Klipsch support got back to me and said they will send out a new tweeter, but they think that avr clipping caused my tweeter issue. They said that my Denton avr-x2100w did not provide enough power (95w) for my RC62II. They told me I need an amp, something that puts out 150w. I have to imagine that most consumer AVRs are under powered by this logic.
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I probably talked to that same guy about the same issue in the past. Pretty sure he told me a woofer was blown.
These centers are nice as far as centers goes and all, but if you get a chance sometime, hook up a third tower that matches your mains in the middle especially if you're running an RF-7ii. Totally different sound, no nasal voices, no tin cans.
I would love to have a third tower as center, but no space and the wife would kill me. I might think about getting a bookshelf (RB61II) in the future.
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Thanks Ceptorman, I'm going to get a new tweeter.
Contact Klipsch Customer Service first, tell them your story. They are fantastic to deal with, and I have heard of them sending replacements to other customers. It doesn't hurt to ask.
Will do, thank you for the advice.
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I tell you what, I get a little more irritated with Klipsch everyday seems like. This is so stupid. That x2100 will run any reference speaker just fine. Should have told the customer service guy to get a damn clue. I had a denon 1713 running palladiums for a while. They are 4 ohms. That "supposed" to be as hard to drive as it can get right? And that same 1713 ran rf-63 home theater, numerous other reference theater as well as Cornwalls. You name it most everything I've had or have had been ran by that 1713 at one point or another. And it's been sold to a friend and is currently running a rf-82ii setup including an rc-62ii and it does just fine! S
Yeah, I really wanted to call BS as well. But then I thought, "hey this dude works for Klipsch, so he must know his stuff."
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Since the OP had 4 posts and hasn't been on in 3.5 years, I doubt he'll be back. It's a shame that the Klipsch CS guy wasn't much help. When you mentioned switching speaker wires with your fronts in the other thread, and the 82lls sounded fine, it sounds like a bad tweeter.
Thanks Ceptorman, I'm going to get a new tweeter.
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A couple year-old thread is not that old, we've had some 10 year-old threads resurrected!
Back to the problem...I'm not familiar with your Marantz, but I've never heard of anyone having that sort of center channel problem with the Marantz. The Onkyo mentioned in the previous posts had known issues with multiple channels going out due to an HDMI board problem. Is your center running "hot?" Can you describe your specific problem with a little more detail?
Is this a change from what it did before? Have you made any recent changes to the AVR's settings? Is this happening with TV only, movies only or both? Are you saying the problem is when running Toy Story?
I have a Denon AVR-X2100W, no recent changes to it. This issue has been going since I got the RC62. I'm not really running the center hot. The issue is that a fair amount of the time, voices in movie sound tracks sound as if someone is talking through a tin can, but at the same time muffled.
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I have an RC62II that I notice, at certain times on movie and TV sound tracks, almost sounds like someone is talking in a tin can or has a crackling sound. It is not all of the time, but does happen on occasion. I notice it more when someone is yelling in a scene. I really only notice it with voices in a soundtrack. I had an RC52 before and notice it a bit with the RC52, but not at the level I notice with the RC62II.
Has anyone had this issue before? I'm running my RC62II on a Denon AVR-X2100W and have run the Audyssey calibration a few times now. I bumped up the center level in the AVR by 1db after running calibration. I have the speaker on-top of a TV stand that is 3' tall and the speaker is right at the front edge of the TV stand. The speaker is angled slightly up so it points to ear level of the listening position.
Any help would be appreciated.
I own an RC-62II, and it has never let me down. My XO is at 80 for it and calibrated for different levels. Have you calibrated using any program or microphone?
I calibrated using Audyssey and the mic provided by Denon on a camera tripod. I have rerun the calibration so many times, that I have lost count.
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I know this is a really old thread, but was there ever a resolution to this issue? I have the same issue and I have a Denon AVR.
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I kind of figured the tech was full of it.
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All,
A just a followup on my RC62 issue. Changing the XO to 60 helped but the issue is still present, replaced the cable and that did not fix. I did another test with music, running in 2.0, the other night. I took the cable from my from my RF82 and plugged it into the RC62 so the the RC62 was playing the left channel. I got pretty close to the speaker and listend, then moved the cable over to the RF82 and listened. I moved the left channel cable back and forth between the RC62 and RF82 several times to compare. The RC62 sounded muffled and subdued, through the tweeter, compared to the RF82. The RF82 was very clear and crisp, and the RC62 just sounded held back and lacked detail and clarity. I was even able to get the RC62 to reproduce the tine can sound on a song. I tested the same part of the song that sounded" tin can" like on the RC62 through the RF82 and the RF82 did not have the tin can sound issue at all.
I called klipsch tech support and the tech said that he thought my tweeter was bad. He suggested that my AVR killed it because it under powered the speaker.I was taken back by this. My AVR is a Denon AVR X2100W. I have been told that Klipsch speakers are so efficent that most AVR's will power them without issue. The Klipsch tech said that I need to get an amplifier to avoid this issue in the future. What are all of your thoughts on this? Do you all think the tweeter is bad? Is my AVR causing the issue? I would think that my other speakers would also have issues if this were the case.
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I have the AVR-X2100W and I think it is fantastic. The only complaint I have is that I cannot do HDMI source switching with the AVR powered off. It has to be turned on to change sources. That is the only issue.
Why would you need to do this? Are you talking about like switching the source while only running an extra zone? If not it seems like that statement is about on the same level as complaining that you can't switch gears in your car unless the key is on.
When you have kids and you don't want them to mess with the speakers or volumes, it is nice. They can switch sources without having the system on. Plus, I don't always want the sound system on when I watch something.
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I have the AVR-X2100W and I think it is fantastic. The only complaint I have is that I cannot do HDMI source switching with the AVR powered off. It has to be turned on to change sources. That is the only issue.
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I screwed around with this for a VERY long time last night. It seems that killing some EQ bands from 1 khz to 8 khz in the center channel can drastically reduce this. 63 and 500 hz can get rid of male voice boominess and 1-8 khz can get rid of the metallic sound for the most part. 125, 250, 16 khz, these didn't seem to affect much.
Nice! I just need to figure out how to do that in my denon's settings.
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I tried the XO at 60hz and that reduced the issue. I'm going to try 40hz with a few movies and see what results I get.
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@ willand & WVU80 I will play with the XO. Thank you for the suggestions. I will also check the cables again, but I had put a new cable on when I swapped out the RC52 with the RC62 and I had the issue with both.
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I suggest you check your cross over settings.
If Audyssey set them you should be good to go, as Audyssey always hits my XO points spot on according to the speaker's spec's.
When I've manually set my XO's to 100 Mhz or higher I get that tinny sound you are describing. Setting the speakers to "full" (or large) or setting XO 40-60-80 took care of the tinny sounds.
My experience with this was in using surround speakers, not a center, so this solution might not work for you.
I have the center set to small and the XO at 80hz. Audyssey wanted to put it at 40hz.
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I have an RC62II that I notice, at certain times on movie and TV sound tracks, almost sounds like someone is talking in a tin can or has a crackling sound. It is not all of the time, but does happen on occasion. I notice it more when someone is yelling in a scene. I really only notice it with voices in a soundtrack. I had an RC52 before and notice it a bit with the RC52, but not at the level I notice with the RC62II.
Has anyone had this issue before? I'm running my RC62II on a Denon AVR-X2100W and have run the Audyssey calibration a few times now. I bumped up the center level in the AVR by 1db after running calibration. I have the speaker on-top of a TV stand that is 3' tall and the speaker is right at the front edge of the TV stand. The speaker is angled slightly up so it points to ear level of the listening position.
Any help would be appreciated.
I don't have experience with either of those speakers, but .....
Tin can: Sometimes dialog is recorded with a lot of the bass cut off, both on the microphone and on the board. That can make it more articulate, but less natural. An upper mid-range boost is sometimes used to make sure that even on a bad TV, dialog can be clearly understood. Does the problem happen only on run-of-the-mill TV shows, and not on high budget ones like Game of Thrones or Downton Abby?
Crackling: On the other hand, crackling when someone is yelling might be due to clipping, or speaker damage. Hope it's not the latter. But, if you heard it a little on the RC52, maybe it is amplifier clipping or distortion, and the RC62 II is just more revealing.
Big Budget stuff. I would never claim to watch Downtown Abby, or to even know what that is
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Are you watching like TV shows on dvd? because I have a few that make that sound sometimes, I just chalk it up to bad audio on the film set.
Most of what I watch is Blue-ray. I sometimes stream Amazon and Netflix. I notice on both content types.
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I have an RC62II that I notice, at certain times on movie and TV sound tracks, almost sounds like someone is talking in a tin can or has a crackling sound. It is not all of the time, but does happen on occasion. I notice it more when someone is yelling in a scene. I really only notice it with voices in a soundtrack. I had an RC52 before and notice it a bit with the RC52, but not at the level I notice with the RC62II.
Has anyone had this issue before? I'm running my RC62II on a Denon AVR-X2100W and have run the Audyssey calibration a few times now. I bumped up the center level in the AVR by 1db after running calibration. I have the speaker on-top of a TV stand that is 3' tall and the speaker is right at the front edge of the TV stand. The speaker is angled slightly up so it points to ear level of the listening position.
Any help would be appreciated.
Back to the problem...
But yes, it is big budget stuff like Strike Back.
RC62 II Tin Can Sound
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What model of AVR are you using?