Well I found a place that runs 12 different speakers to listen too. I ended up getting the Klipsch rp-250f, I brought them home and hook both the pioneer and Klipsch to A/b switch.
What a difference the klipsch were. The volume were higher on the Klipsch than the Pioneer, Even my wife could tell the difference between them, the bass was very good on the Klipsch were as in was not heard very hi on the Pioneer. I was very happy with my Pioneers and I didn't even know they weren't that good, I even got them on sale cheaper than the internet price I only had to drive 35 miles out of my way..