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Steve asks: PS-Woo ..you still using the Scott 130?
Actually I found out that I like my 355 better. The 130 has some noise issues (I've cleaned and lubed all the switches and pots) but I've not yet sent it to Craig for the once (or twice) over. This is noise above and beyond the usual low level hiss that these units have.
I bought it because I remember how Seadog's 130 sounded at the Hope gathering last Fall. I hope that Seadog brings his 130 again so I can listen a bit more carefully.
But as of right now I plan to keep it because I was given a Leak Stereo 20 power amp that also needs some tender loving care. Both of these units will be showing up at Craig's fairly soon. When they return they might go into my office to drive the Heresys, or to the Kids room for his Tannoys, or to the church for the Cornwalls.
I've yet to hear tubes in the rather large space at church. My fault though. Cornwalls 35' apart throw a soundstage that is UNBELIEVABLE.
Or, I might just figure out which power amp I like better (the 208 or the Leak 20), sell the 130, the 355 and the other power amp and a set of Heresys I'm not using (at a friend's house, though) and finance a Peach. [8-)]
At any rate, I'm pretty slow to move on decisions like these.
Woo
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oh, one more short comment. ... I'm going to take my ALK's over there one of these weekends and have fun with those. I've never heard them with LaScalas. Something different, ya know?
I heard the difference in my Khorns that crossovers made, I heard the difference that they made in the Cornwalls. I know my Heresys 1976's) need 'em.
Woo
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Hi Forrest, thanks again for the time at your place. I'd be interested you your take on Todd's system, since you've spent so much time there. And do you think my and Doc's points are valid?
M
Michael,
Short comment:
I think Todd's system sounds fantastic!
Longer comment:
Slapback echo. I hadn't even considered that or noticed it, but I'll listen for it the next time I'm over there. Once I had figured out my particular room resonances (bump at 130 Hz for one) they bugged me for a bit and sometimes they still do if I fixate on it. Usually, like Who said... sometimes you should just 'shup and listen to the music'.
I've seen several amps/preamps come and go with Todd so far, and I like the combo that he has now. I took my 208 (7591 based tube amp) over and we compared it straight up to your Crown, I think. The SS amp had much more muscular bass than the tubes, but like you said 'it's home, I'm used to it' and wouldn't swap it out in my system for SS. I *seriously* like the Peach, both for cosmetic appeal but more importantly how it really opened up the sound. I'm a huge fan of how his system sounds now, and I have a feeling it's a home theater system in process. [
]The Dbx unit he has is a neat toy, I'll have to say. I understand what it does and I like the coloration it brings to the LaScalas... it's sort of like a loudness button, more fleshing out of the sound at lower volumes. A little goes a long way, though.
On the other hand, I take a system for what it is too. I have Heresys at work, and they are what they are. I love 'em. I have Cornwalls at the church with Solid State and a sub - they are what they are. I don't try to turn the Heresys into Khorns any more than I try to turn my 1985 Japanese steel bike into a Trek Madonne.
I could take a potato and put it in a tomato bed, shower it with tomato fertilizer, optimize the light for tomato growth, and even give it the finest of tomato dirt, but at the end of the day, I wouldn't have a tomato. I'd still have a potato. Hey! Potatos are good! Yummm... gimme some sour cream!
I'm notorious for wanting to rearrange speakers to get it 'just right' if possible, and Todd's house was no exception. But, I really held myself back. Other than wanting to (at the time) move the right side Cornwall out more and more I held back. Todd may disagree, but I did. With the LaScalas there was no problem getting the sweet spot and the accompanying sweet imaging which I crave. ( I really do )
I've enjoyed Todd's system since he had the B&K. With the Peach and the Aragon it is that much better. I wasn't such a fan of the Adcom, but neither was he. Ultimately he is the one who needs to be satisfied with the sound, not me. [
]Every improvement has, as DeanG said, been a step forward.
Your suggestion about getting more music to listen to is spot on. (to use one of your colloqualisms) Todd, do it! [
]Now, after your comment about the resonance, I want to try and rearrange the room, not because it sounds bad (it doesn't, it sounds great) but because of the promise of how it *might* sound.
I was writing to Todd about how I had shown my system to my older brother Hollis, a rather successfull recording engineer in Nashville who has an incredible set of ears on him.
Here's part of what I wrote:
Honestly, praise or lack of praise doesn't really affect me one way or another. It's one of the benefits of getting older (ok, hell, BEING old), I suppose. I have what I have and it is what it is. The music has become therapy since Klipsch came into the house.
My brother Hollis, the recording engineer who has worked with many 'celebrities' (Ricky Skaggs, Marie Osmond, Bobby Hicks, Vern Gosdin, George Jones, Bela Fleck) either recording or mixing their work on some of the very finest digital equipment (and very old, hotly sought after tube microphones) Nashville has in its arsenal, heard my Klipschorns and neither praised nor insulted them. He was neutral about them in his comments.
That doesn't stop me from being happier than a pig in a great big pile 'o **** (edited for family reading). seriously. :-)
Just enjoy the music!
Woo
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Dr. Who,
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Heres the stuff of mine played to show off the system
Paul Winter: Prayer for the Wild Things, end of track 8/intro to track 9
(contra-bassoon playing a low C fundamental around 31hz)
AR Rahman: Vande Mataram, track 7
(a very thickly layered bass heavy composition)
<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Kama Sutra: Tale of Love, Original Movie Sountrack, track 14
(thunderous drums morphing into a delicate guitar)
I was turned on to this material by Seti. The entire disk is an AMAZING collection of well recorded miniatures, each of which are fine compositions. I cant recommend this one highly enough.
Anuna: Omnis, track 3 (choral music with harp accompaniment)
Bela Fleck: Tales From the Acoustic Planet, Vol. 2, the Bluegrass sessions
Track 4: Spanish Point
Rickie Lee Jones: Pop Pop, track 6: Dat Dere
(incredible imaging on this one)
The Sound of Kings: Choirs of Kings College, Cambridge
Track 15, Agnus Dei from Durufles Requiem
(not heard on this track was the contra-bourdon, a soft 32 pedal stop near the end too low for the khorns)
I wish you had been able to hear the Cornwalls at the church. They are augmented by a sub tuned to 19hz. The room reverberation is wonderful there, ~1 second, no parallel surfaces, with lower frequencies having a slightly slower decay, and the 35' seperation of the Corns really shows them off. I often go and listen to music there. They are driven by a 70's Onkyo SS receiver and they sound really fine until you get to that clipping point, that is.
They make an incredible P.A. system.
Woo
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Woodog - are the khorns on the 19 or 11 foot wall?
When I first got them I had them on the 11' wall. They sounded great to me, too! And then I read in a thread where Khorns liked the long wall, so I rearranged everything and moved them to the long wall......
WOW! what a difference.
One thing I have noticed... when the same advice keeps coming at you consistently from this group of folks, the klipschaholics, you can pretty much bank on it being correct advice.
Woo
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Dr. Who,
Thanks for your take on the experience. I'm also a big fan of the Tannoy speaker design, and while I DO sometimes have a slight twinge of regret for selling the 15" monitor gold speakers I had, the truth was that I just wasn't listening to them like I was the Khorns.
Now if I had had the kind scratch needed to secure the right cabinets for them, I might have kept them. But, right after telling my big brother (a recording engineer) about the Tannoys leaving my house, he said 'I've got a pair of 10" monitor golds that I don't use anymore, I'll let ya have 'em if ya want 'em'.
Uh... yeah. [
]They went into the Kid's room, and his Heresys came to my office. They best the Heresys in every possible way, and on the few occasions I've had them hooked up in my room (on top of the Khorns) they image WAY better than the Khorns! No phase problems because of the coaxial design, which is very cool.
Meagain,
If you walk around your room while listening to music, standing waves present themselves as increases in volume at certain frequencies, the easiest of which to recognize being bass frequencies. My room is full of 'em.
With dimensions of 19.2' x 11' there are definitely problems with getting a 'larger' sweet spot. Had it been a half foot narrower I would have been out of luck in getting the listening spot that I DO have, which is quite nice.
I'm currently on the prowl for a nice leather recliner. The listening chair I have has survived - if you can call it that - me, a toddler, one dog, one cat, three birds, and the untimely demise of two frogs (don't ask).
later,
Woo
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I do not know everything that may or may not be said.. I also realise whatever is said.. It is just an opinion. I have had people come over impressed as all get out (That's Indiana talk for overwhelmed) or just so so. Sometimes my heart shrank sometimes I was surprised. (At their surprise and amazement too.. I mean I love this hobby too!) What did they think I was gonna do use BOSE 301's and a cheap sub???
I do not in any way have a perfect room and I suggest most of us do not. If, however, (minus Artto) We allow ourselves to get caught up in the excitement of our friends reasons they love Klipsch and why.... we might discover something.. And something that might work for us too. (I did in my upstairs HT with one set of surrounds on the floor tilted up behind my couch. It works, and the RS7's mixed with heritage works great too for surround duty. Also, a older decorator Cornwall II vertical on it's side as a center is also a MAJOR home run.. Between 2 k horns... blah blah blah... ) The point is, I got these ideas from others.. and tried them myself..
I then trust some of you who also seek advice will find out, too, on your own with good suggestions as well.
What I do enjoy most is meeting other fanatics... Klipsch people are great, in general, and it has been more than rewarding to see your love for things audio wise these last few years.. I never knew in my life I would find like friends into this as much if not more than I am. As a kid I thought for sure I was the only one... Who believed!! PWK lives on!!
Indy,
Exactly! I owe much, if not all, of my listening pleasure to following the advice gleaned from reading this forum. When I finally experienced that 'sound' (in the form of Cornwalls which I bought before ever hearing them) I wanted to go screaming about 'lookee lookee!!!!!' or, rather, 'listen listen!'
Had I not been a member of this forum I would've hit the delete button when an add that said 'Klipsch speakers, beautiful sound but HUGE' appeared in my classified email list. Instead, I made a phone call.
Meeting the fanatics is just icing on the cake.
Woo
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Well, as I'm sure you can tell, we really enjoyed sharing all of this with a couple of great friends in the Klipsch brotherhood. Gotsta do it more often, and make a bigger deal of it...like those bozo's in Florida with Wine and Cheeseburgers.
Dang, Todd, why didn't WE think of that. Wine and Cheeseburgers. The perfect horn compliment.
Woo (thwacking himself on the head in a MarthaStewart/HomerSimpson moment)
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Wow,
What a great collection. Love it!
Woo
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Meagain,
No, my opinion of Khorns is still the same. They're great.
Woo
edit - sorry, you said "Who" and I read "Woo"
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Colter, you win the bet. There is no Led Zep in the house. Great mug shot! (flattering too!).
About the volume thing, yeppers it got loud. I RARELY (more like never) listen at that volume level, and when I do, I get there slowly. I wanted to push the limit, though, because sometimes you have to match the volume to the type of music. Cell Dweller needed some crunch - it is not music for afternoon tea.
Also, I knew the point where the Khorns begin to lose cohesion for that amplification and that room, and had I not gone to that volume level, LOUD as it was, it wouldn't have been a fair demo.
Finally, the delicate/gentle stuff was at the beginning, with the volume creeping towards the end.
(okay, none of that is *really* true, I just liked showing off) [
]and now, my kid wants your camera! woohoo!
Woo
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Colter and Who, thanks for making the trip! Thanks to BS for shuttling them about the town! It was fun having y'all over and cranking the tunes. I really like hearing new material tunes and Cirque de Soleil (sp?) and Cell Dweller made me perk up and take notice. :-)
okay, okay, they jarred my skin, rattled my bones, and bathed me in aural thunder. Good stuff.
It'll be interesting to hear Who's take on how the khorns and old Scott equipment handled this stuff.
later for now!,
Woo
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Mike,
If you're ever in town for a Vette Homecoming, give a holler!
Woo
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Man! Cool!
I'll be around after about 1p.m. for giving you the tour. Currently in my sprawling abode (and you are *SO* gonna laugh at that description after you visit) are the Khorns and a 355/208 combo.
The Kid's room has Tannoy SGM 10" powered by a Scott 299.
The 4 Cornwalls (a pair of '76 and a pair of '85) are powered by an Onkyo solid state receiver from around 1977.
They're in the main room room at my church.
BS currently has the Corns hooked up to his system, and boy-oh-boy do they sound delicious.
Looking forward to seeing y'all down here!
Woo
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Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead, but I read this today and had a chuckle.
Woo
Two men were sitting next to each other at a bar.
After a while, one guy looks at the other and says, "I can't help but think from
listening to you that you're from Ireland."
The other guy responds proudly, "Yes, that I am!"
The first guy says, "So am I! And whereabouts from Ireland might you
be?"
The other guy answers, "I'm from Dublin, I am."
The first guy responds, "Sure and begora, and so am I! And what street
did you live on in Dublin?"
The other guy says, "A lovely little area it was. I lived on McCleary
Street in the old central part of town."
The first guy says, "Faith, it's a small world, so did I! So did I!!
And to what school would you have been going?"
The other guy answers, "Well now, I went to St. Mary's, of course."
The first guy gets really excited and says, "And so did I. Tell me,
what year did you graduate ?"
The other guy answers, "Well, now, let's see, I graduated in 1964."
The first guy exclaims, "The good Lord must be smiling down upon us! I
can hardly believe our good luck at winding up in the same bar
tonight. Can you believe it -- I graduated from St. Mary's in 1964 my
own self."
About this time, Vicky walks into the bar, sits, and orders a beer.
Brian, the bartender, walks over to Vicky, shaking his head and
mutters, "It's going to be a long night tonight!!"
Vicky asks, "Why do you say that, Brian?"
"The Kelly twins are drunk again!"
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But my friends cornwalls and dynaco amp (The whole system might be $2.5K) just blew me away. All the music was so dynamic and powerful compared to all the high-end voodoo and $20K speaker wires. We listened to the cornwalls all night, and talked about how much worse some of the high end rooms at the show sounded.
The first comment I had when leaving there was to BS Button, saying that his Cornwalls driven by a JuicyMusic Peach and an Aragon SS power amp was far superior to what I had heard there with one exception.... floor to ceiling woofers do tend to smack you with bass. [
]Dynamic and powerful... yep, that's Klipsch.
Woo
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I was thinking about this last night after BS Button and I left another audio-fool's home. BS took me over to see this guys collection of stuff..
MAN... lots and lots and lots of stuff... HUGE (and I mean HUGE) Infinity speakers (at least 7' from floor to ceiling) and backed by columns of woofers with this and that doodad whatchamacallit going on....
5 Yamaha NS-100 studio monitors
Krell Monoblocks (160 #'s of monoblock!), passive crossovers, active crossovers, huge snaking cables everywhere, a turntable that looked like a spaceship (I gotta admit... the turntable thing sounded really good..) black boxes everywhere
and then there was the other room... with Apogee Divas, ribbon speakers, more huge SS monoblocks, cables, boxes. Whew... really, it was overwhelming.
I could sell my house (and my car, and my bicycles) and not be able to buy half of what he had in one of those rooms, but...
the sound I have in *one* of my rooms is far superior.
I'm Forrest, and I'm a Klipsch-a-holic.
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At the Reno, NV Hilton and dealing with convention food. blegh.
At least the fresh fruit is tasty. The closer you get to California, the better the melons. (take that as you will)
Woo
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Get well Bob! You are in my thoughts.
Woo
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Late Birthday greetings to you. Life is good!
Woo
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They'd make dandy night stands, Forrest!
I was thinking matching chopping blocks!
Woo
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Isn't WooDog in Kentucky ? The crossovers need to be rebuilt and the tweeter actually connected. I bet those 30 year old caps are way out of spec. Not really a fair comparison like that but oh well. I'd like apair of that vintage some day.
Yeah, I'm in Kentucky, not too far away, but if I got these Khorns I would have to sleep on them. I live in a tiny place! They won't last long, that's for sure.
Woo
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Phil Lesh is my all time sentimental favorite - from delicate to thunderous
Victor Wooten is just *amazing*
Of course, there are many. These two pop in my head when I think 'bass'
Woo
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That is one of the real joys of the Klipsch forum, in my experience, and with Klipsch in general. One can put together a VERY good sounding system and have a VERY good time doing it. With some care, patience, and good advice from kind and knowlegeable folks on the forum the results can pleasing.
Amen to that! My life is so much richer due to the information I learned about audio from this forum. I'm glad I stumbled across this place.
Woo
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The Devil Makes Me Do This!
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I've always wondered how a battleship would sound through Khorns.
Woo