prix

I think what it is that occasionally bothers me about my Tannoys is a lack of air.

---------------- On 12/1/2003 3:55:25 AM mike stehr wrote: Maybe it depends on the speakers, WTFDIK. ---------------- .....or your ears.

You won that 272 on ebay? Damn. I was watching that. That thing is GORGEOUS! Let us know how it is. I feel where you are coming from. Sometimes it's not worth looking for a deal. Life is too short. If you consider all the time spent hunting, you're better off just buying the damn thing for full pop. I would advise you to avoid using a tube cd player with tube your amp. That's overkill. A very wise man once said, "When you put on a pair of 'rose colored glasses' (think vacuum tube amp), everything looks great through them. Your first tendency is to add another pair of rose colored glasses on the top of the first and another, but you eventually can't see any more. In other words, too many tubes in your system will blind your ears to accurate sound. Leave the tubes for the preamp and amps."

---------------- On 11/30/2003 11:05:41 PM NOSValves wrote: Well I would say Gary would have a great handle on this situation. Since has the Cornwalls with similar amps to yours ! Craig ---------------- I agree!! Gary, where did you say you live? Craig....how's that 130 preamp? I've been drooling over those for a while now. I want one!!

---------------- On 11/30/2003 11:21:22 PM hurdy_gurdyman wrote: I own a pair of Heresy 1's, and can comment on a few things about them. First, with my Scott amp and and just average front ends, they can image quite well. As for harshness, I've also noticed that on a lot of modern rock it's obvious that the recordings were never intended to be played on highly revealing systems. They can sound harsh and thin, especially when played loud. However, if you use well recorded music, rock or otherwise, things are different. When I listen to well recorded jazz or folk acoustic material, these speakers have a way of coming to life and sounding incredibly real that constantly amazes me! It tells me that the speakers are pretty accurate and just need good recordings to sound great. GIGO. I'm starting to suspect that the majority of modern rock/pop music is mixed to sound it's best on portable boom boxes and that the people doing the mix just don't care about us folks who have decent systems to listen on. I can't turn up the volume on these with most modern rock/pop music, it's just to harsh, but put on some nice jazz and crank it up and I can almost smell the smokey nightclub. Many old vintage classic rock recordings sound great, also, especially origional vinyl (a lot of the CD remasters sound awful). Dave ---------------- It's the sad truth about modern remasters. Compression, no-noise, excessive eq boost,.....you name it. They're killing the very soul of the music. Fortunately there are people like Steve Hoffman who have tried, and continue to try to make a difference. If you want to talk more about this subject, please come and join us: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums Thanks for your comments on the Heresy.

---------------- On 11/30/2003 10:29:14 PM garymd wrote: I wouldn't dismiss the cornwalls until you've heard them. I own both cornwalls and heresys. No competition. The cornwalls are better top to bottom, same drivers or not. With the right tube set-up you shouldn't find them to be harsh at all. I own altecs also and the cornwalls compare favorably. I would listen before deciding. They can sound good in smaller rooms. ---------------- Wow, your two channel system is very similar to mine! Would you talk about what you perceive to be the differences between the Cornwalls and your Santiagos? What type of music are you listening to and at what volume? In general would you say the Klipsch are less fatiguing than the Altecs?

---------------- On 11/30/2003 10:20:15 PM mobile homeless wrote: To be honest, I would probably just stick with the Tannoys based on your listening taste and needs. kh ---------------- Thanks for your honesty. That is why I chose Tannoys. However, their tendency to roll off the highs and be slightly dark disturbs me on occasion. On the other hand, I can't ever remember being bothered by anything resembling listening fatigue. I'm sure you know what it's like being an audiophile.....I'm constantly looking for the perfect speaker and never satisfied with what I have.

I've heard that the Cornwall is harsh before. I'm not getting that impression exclusively from here. The problem is that I do like to listen to my music LOUD. I would never even think of using solid state period, so this is not an issue. My primary concern is the fact that MOST cds are poorly mastered with an artificial top end. I'm wondering if the Cornwall would make my ears bleed. I think I need a speaker that is slightly on the smooth side of neutral. Also, my room is only 10 x 13, which is probably too small for the Cornwall anyway. How are the La Scalas compared to the Cornwall? How does the Heresy compare to the Tannoy 12?

---------------- On 11/30/2003 9:23:44 AM mobile homeless wrote: Prix, there is nothing at all wrong with you entering into a dialog concerning the Klipsch speakers. There have been many fine debates here concerning the various Heritage horns revolving around each of the positive and negative aspects. In fact, I think you got some thoughtful answers and opinions on the subject as well as some offers for audition. I have to admit, some of the text in your posts does read a bit on the troll happy side of the equation. IF you really are after an exchange in ideas, I would avoid statements like "the Khorn is better served in a club and not a critical listening room" or "you enjoy your midrange boost with your Khorns" or "any speakers that doesnt stage and image well is worthless." Such overstatements tend to rarely bring anything but overstatement in response, this as evidenced by MinnMale, who went WAAY over the top in my view, taking the bait like a Florida Bonefish. One thing for sure about the Heritage speakers, they dont do well with poor front end or amplification. So-so amplification will bring the Heritage to mediocrity or worse depending. Although you do have quite a few that are seemingly unaffected by this. Personally speaking, McIntosh solid state amps on a Klipschorn would bring some of what you decribe, especially if the source components or source MATERIAL was mediocre. I am not a big fan os McIntosh solid state anyway and when partnered with 104dB horns and a so-so source, I would probably not find much to applaud. Since I havent heard the Khorn in years, I limit the response to the Cornwalls. I think you got some very good answers above that describe the differences. Allan actually HAS both speakers and offered a comparison. If you do love imaging and soundstaging, I can tell you the Cornwall does VERY well here but one must obviously concentrate on speaker placement also having a room that doesnt mind two huge boxes encroaching into the living space. Most Klipsch users tend to use the corners which doesnt lend itself to excellent depth in soundstage. But I can tell you that bringing the Cornwalls out a bit will greatly improve this. And even when as little as a foot out, you can get excellent imaging. In fact, the Cornwalls do VERY well here considering. They also exhibit GREAT tone, speed, and a realism that is spooky. But again, the important point to get them at their best is GREAT GEAR UP FRONT. I have found them excellent with quality SET and Push pull. Still, I would not write off the Klipschorn as hastily as you do. IF someone with some fine gear out there has a pair in optimum conditions, I would surely give it another audition. On the V15, I think it's a very decent cartridge and well behaved. Whether it has enough soul, life, and richness might be another story. kh ---------------- Thank you for your reply. I assure you, I am not a troll. I participate in several audio discussion sites and I came here seeking advice from Klipsch experts, to express my curiousity about the product, and to either substantiate or clear up rumors that I've heard about the various models. Never did I expect to be told to "get a clue" by some nimrod, but that is over and done with. In any case, I don't really want to discuss the Khorn and never did. I don't have the space for these speakers even if I did like them. I requested information about the Cornwall and the Heresy. Thus far, due to the excellent information that has been provided, I have decided that the Cornwall is not for me. I listen to primarily rock and I am very sensitive to "harsh" sounding speakers. I am still very curious about the Heresy. How do these sound? They have a 12" driver, correct?

---------------- On 11/29/2003 10:45:56 PM minn_male42 wrote: "deaf as a post" really... you have absolutely no idea about me.... i have probably forgotten more about music than you have ever imagined... i am a semi-professional musician of over 25 years...i am a former music educator of over 15 years.... i know how real music sounds..... on stage....in front of the stage and at the back of the auditorium..... from many years of being exposed to live music.... i have heard your tannoy speakers .... have you heard mine?..... you come on this forum looking for advice and slam the khorn...perhaps the only speaker in continuous production for over 50 years .... i've done the whole tube thing and arrived at a solution which meets my needs and sounds excellent to my "deaf as a post" ears.... the carver professional amplifiers have had a great deal of "internet buzz" as well as producing a great sound with extremely low noise floor..... for well under a $1000.... go ahead and slam my system.... (at least i have klipsch speakers and this is a klipsch forum)..... you are just proclaiming your ignorance..... by the way.... i amazed that you are using such a mediocre cartridge as the shure v15..... ---------------- If you re-read my earlier posts, you will see that I never did "slam" the Khorn. I only gave my impressions for the purpose of discussion. Obviously this speaker is not for everybody similar to the way that the VW Bug, though manufactured as long as the Khorn is not every man's dream car. In any case, regarding my cartridge.....that is a topic that I will happily discuss with you. Why is it that you call the Shure V15 mediocre? Please do let me know. I recently sold my Benz Micro MC and had a very hard time choosing a new MM cartridge. I chose the V15VxMR because of it's solid reputation, extremely flat response, superb tracking ability, low distortion, and the fact that it is a great match for a tempermental vintage tonearm such as the one on my Hydraulic Reference. Other things that I considered were those by Goldring and Ortofon. My Shure cartridge is on order at the moment, so it is not too late for me to cancel if you provide some information that illustrates why this is not a good choice.

---------------- On 11/29/2003 9:59:44 PM minn_male42 wrote: "While it is true that I will never forget the sound of Klipsch Khorns(the first time I ever heard a cd was on these...Beatles "Revolver"), they strike me as being a better choice for a large club than a critical listening room." no offense.... but you have no clue about what khorns sound like in a good setup.... i have heard your tannoys and khorns..(both in very good systems).. and the khorns are a much better speaker in all aspects.... detail..dynamics... accuracy.... get a clue newbie.... ---------------- Nevermind. Sorry for my earlier comment. I just looked at your gear list and you obviously have no idea what a "good setup" is. You must be deaf as a post. Your system is a joke. If I'd seen this initially, I would have realized that you simply don't know what you are talking about. No offense.

---------------- On 11/29/2003 9:59:44 PM minn_male42 wrote: "While it is true that I will never forget the sound of Klipsch Khorns(the first time I ever heard a cd was on these...Beatles "Revolver"), they strike me as being a better choice for a large club than a critical listening room." no offense.... but you have no clue about what khorns sound like in a good setup.... i have heard your tannoys and khorns..(both in very good systems).. and the khorns are a much better speaker in all aspects.... detail..dynamics... accuracy.... get a clue newbie.... ---------------- Get a clue newbie? Why should I trust your ears, moron? If your avatar is your photo, you look like a real schmuck. Go insult someone else who cares what you have to say, baldy. I'm more interested in intelligent discussion about vintage speakers than your blind assertions and stupid commentary. Obviously you are the clueless.

---------------- On 11/29/2003 8:12:49 PM Chris Robinson wrote: ---------------- On 11/29/2003 4:01:06 AM prix wrote: "... but a friend of mine has Khorns with a solid state McIntosh. My impression of Klipsch speakers from this experience is that they are slightly forward sounding, a tad fatiguing, with a total lack of soundstage and imaging, with boomy bass. There is, however, an immediacy and weight to the sound that I cannot forget. ---------------- Klipschorns are the most revealing of the wonderful Heritage family. If there's any issue in the source to speaker chain, you'll know right away. I suspect the first issue to address here is the SS amplification. The SS amps tend to have a lot of distortion at the lower power levels, so there may be something up there. This is why a lot of us start at 100 WPC SS amps and wind up with 3-15W tube amps (PP or SET). Since the K'horns are so efficient, we're spending more time looking for a good sonic match on the first few watts. The sound that comes from Klipschorns is LARGE, somewhat non-directional. They turn a room into a sonic wonderland. Those who hear them with good recorded material and good source/amplification ... well, they never forget it. I had four guys in my living room last night who commented on my Bose cubes last night upon arriving, and left shaking their heads feeling that their audio assumptions were turned upside down. They won't forget what they heard and felt. And honestly, my room is bad. In a better room, a lot more potential resides. I really treasure the ALK's for the Klipschorn just because it gives you so many voicing options. Depending on your room, the midrange CAN be forward and reflective, and Al's work of art let's you dial it back just a tad, and that makes a lot of difference for some folks. ---------------- While it is true that I will never forget the sound of Klipsch Khorns(the first time I ever heard a cd was on these...Beatles "Revolver"), they strike me as being a better choice for a large club than a critical listening room.

---------------- On 11/29/2003 5:36:00 AM Guy Landau wrote: Hello & Welcome, I have heared the Tannoy dual concentric loudspeakers on several occasions and also found them to be colored but very easy on the ears (forgiving?). I think that the soundstage depth and imaging is affected more from the components synergy and placement of the speakers, than from the speakers themselves. ---------------- So how would you describe the sound of the Tannoys you heard compared to your Altec 604 Big Red monitors?

---------------- On 11/29/2003 4:31:49 AM mafuta wrote: I once ran Monitor Golds with Audio Research Electronics.No matter what I did they always had the Tannoy midrange coloration.They would also go loud with the ARC D160 and D90 I had but never with real weight to the sound.After 4 years I sold them without shedding any tears. The day I installed my Khorns I really wanted to cry-They were bright with a quack that really made the Tannoys sound like stats and no soundstage. However over several years they have really responded well to small changes(totally unlike the Tannoys).all the initial problems have totaly dissapeared.Strange but most of these changes has been to the room and other components.They really are like a magnifying glass on the rest of the system. Unlike others on this forum I found wiring to and inside the Khorns to be critical and eventually settled on Yamamura Millenium 5000 for internal wiring and Synergistic Research Resolution Reference for outside ---------------- Did the soundstage improve?? IMO, a speaker that will not soundstage and image well is worthless for any critical listening application. Which Tannoys did you have? 10"? 12"? 15"? I am surprised to hear that you found the midrange to be colored. My Tannoys seem to have an incredibly flat and smooth midrange, without the upper mid boost that you are no doubt experiencing with your Khorns. In any case, thank you for your reply. I appreciate your comments.