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I talked to Mcintosh and there is really little that I can do. But that is ok as I think I can suffer with it (hehe) The sound from my Cd player is softer and it is perfect fo it will be FM days and Cd nights ;-) Here is the directione to remove the dial glass from Mcintosh. It went quite simply. * Remove wooden sides (remove 2 Phillips screws on each side) * Remove wooden top cover (remove 2 Phillips screws on rear panel and 1 Phillips pan head on each side) * Remove all knobs (tuning, input selector, volume, equalizers, and loudness/balance) by firmly grasping and pulling straight off * Remove front panel (remove 2 Phillips screws on each side directly behind the front panel handles. Take a hold of each handle and pull front panel off. * The dial glass is now exposed. Loosen dial glass bracket screws (2 on each side of glass) and remove dial glass by pulling up out of brackets. There may be black electrical tape on each corner, peel back one side before removing dial glass. * Clean glass * Reverse these steps to reassemble. BTW FWIW the original owner of this unit was supposedly Ronnie Milsap. I asked Mcintosh about this an passed on the store that sold it to him. They replied that Ronnie Milsap had been a long time customer of there equiptment and was most likly true.

I have talked to Mcintosh and there is not really a fix as that is a special volume control. The unit sounds so damn perfct I would not even think with screwing around with it. My Cd player is much softer and works perfectly with it. About the simplest solution is just to get a tuner with a varible output on it. So it will be FM days and the CD player nights ;-)

I like to listen to the FM at night. The 4100 has a stepped volume dial. I find that at the lowest setting of the volume the radio is still too loud. Actually the lowest setting you hear nothing the next click up on the volume dial is when you hear the sound and its a little too loud. Also I notice that there is quite a difference in sound volume bettween the CD player and FM. Would there be some type of adjustment that I could make to adjust this? The FM is not really loud so to speak of! Any suggestions?

Double post sorry.

The unit sounds great! Its a nice match to the Heresy 1's if anyone would like to know. Now I do have a question? I would like to clean the inside of the dial glass. Has anyone ever done this? Is ot a big deal? I do have the service manual for the unit but I did not see any info on how to do it? TIA

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Has anyone on the group ever used the Mcintosh 4100 receiver with the original Hersey speakers? I have chance to get one at a pertty good price and would appreciate any feedback? TIA

Thanks, But I know exactly what they look like,as far as a headphone jack I don't care one way or another. I did have the Fisher 400 and really liked it. At this point I'm thinking on going back to SS Yamaha CR-XXXX or CA-XXXX series

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---------------- On 9/25/2004 8:25:08 AM krustyoldsarge wrote: Whichever Fisher you decide on, Fisherdoc is worth checking out. Though he doesn't have a lot of specific information about various Fisher models on his page, Al Pugliese knows Fisher. Bought one of his Resto-Paks for my 400 and they are exactly as he represents them, top quality! He includes a photocopied service manual with each Resto-Pak. The Resto-Pak instructions are very thorough and well thought out, and the restoration tips are absolutely worth having. http://fisherdoctor.com/index.html Only wish I could finish up the resto on the 400 I blew up. Know it will sound sweet with my Chorus! Maybe after I come off of working 84 hour weeks.... ---------------- I know of the Fisher Doc and have delt with him before. The problem is that I might get the kit tomorrow or a year from now. I would never think of sending a unit to him as that could be a year ordeal ;-) He and his wife are GREAT people but have other priorities in there lives and I do wish them the best. I have used a local shop here in Chicago for years that knows what there doing with old tube stuff and I have never had a problem with there work. Its a shame that there is not a WEB PAge on the old Fisher Equiptment showing old literature and information like the HH SCott site. I know AL has one but they are just photos of the units.

The lines are ok as we had a electrician go through the house last summer. He never made it up stairs to change out the sockets. WOula you have any names of the device your talking about?

Back to the filter's I see that Monster Cable makes a few reasonable priced. My brother brought up this questiion?? My amp does not have a grounded cord nor does the electrical sockets in my bedroom have a three plug socket. So I guess the filter would not work correct? What is I just ran a ground right to a raidator in my room going right to the amp's chassies just to do a test to see if that would help? WOuld that do somthing? BTW my amp is a Fisher x202

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I live in a older home and my tube amp seems to be picking up fan noise, noise from the iceboxes turning on and off etc. This has been driving me nuts! I really thought that somthing was wrong with the amp and took it into a shop and it checked out ok. I did not believe the shop owner untill this morning. The cooler weather is here and the ceiling and floor fans have been turned off and the noise has gone away. I still pick up a floresent light being turned on or a icebox kicking in but nothing like it was before. Now what to do about it? I did a quick look online at some AC line conditioners,well forget that as they are very expensive. What other options do I have? Should I have the amp grounded? I do not use a turntable only a tube tuner and CD player. My patch cables are cheap ones . Would a better grade of cable possibly help? Somthing like monster cable. I did have a tube receiver in the past but never noticed any line noise but I really can not remember. Also a ceiling fan was added the floor below me this year. It seems that I never had a problem with the Solid State Amps or receivers? TIA

The 500B and 500C are both only FM. The 800 is the Am-FM unit

I have the original Heresy Speakers and have always liked the look of the earlier Marantz equiptment. I have read on other sites tthe the Marantz is not a really good match for the Hesery? Is this true? FWIW I was looking at the 2285B

Which is the better between the two receivers and why? Also do both have the amp and pre amp sections that the X-202-B?

I have some real nice scans of the Fisher X-202-B Owners, Parts, Service manual as well as a high res 2.61MB scan of the schemaitc (all in one)plus single page scans of the schematic. Would like to trade for some scans of the Fisher 400, X-202-B and FM-200B sales literature etc. These must be scans from the original literature no copies of copies. Or FM-200-B Operators manual. These are large files, the service manual is for units with the Serial number 50001 - 59999. The owners manual I did in color.

---------------- On 7/31/2004 1:13:45 PM Number 9 wrote: Jjr >> How would a Nice SS tuner sound compared to the Tube 202 FM? I am biased because I have what I consider one of the best tube tuners out there, the McIntosh MR-67. It was serviced by Paul Grzybek of Bizzy Bee Audio in Chicago, which you may well know, is the king of Fisher restoration. He is extremely busy lately ... I listen to FM a lot, and only on a few stations, but it is still way worth it in my opinion. The sound, just glorious. Deep bass, the sound just flows into the room. Beautiful tonality. I had tried various solid-state tuners, some with good reps, but none really did it for me like the MR-67 now does. Vacuum Tube Valley had a tube tuner shootout back in '96 I believe (I have the issue somewhere in my garage). The 200 was considered very nice, but they actually preferred the 100. In the end, a tube tuner can sound very good ONLY IF it is serviced properly. A good realignement. Caps swapped. Their key weakness is they are slightly shy of the top sensitivity of the best solid-state designs, and overall not very selective. A good antenna nulifies these two aspects. I would say go for it and have it upgraded, and you will never look back and second-guess if you can do better. On fmtunerinfo.com there is a brief rundown of tube tuners if you find the link on the sidebar. Also check out the Yahoo tuner discussion forum ... even though some people own "uber" tuners like Sansui TU-X1s, many also hold an MR-67 because they sound so "sweet". ---------------- FWIW I have had many SS tuners over the years and all worked well here in Chicago as the radio stations that I listen to here all broadcast here. So I'm not ready to invest a fortune just to listed to a station that broadcast's 5 miles away. I had called Paul BTW and he is not talking any work he says that he is on other projects. If you are in Chicago there is a fine Factory Certified Fisher repair service here right on N Halsted Street http://www.deltronicschicago.com/index.htm I have had them do repair on various units over the years but must admit have yet to have them any Fisher work. I do feel that they are fully qualified though.

---------------- On 7/30/2004 9:57:55 AM Number 9 wrote: Have not looked lately, but prices can be highly variable. I've seen some sell for as high as $500 or go for as low as $200 depending on condition (serviced lately, by whom or not). Given the tuner is approximately 40 years old, you can surely bet that it needs to have quite a few of its caps changed, probably a couple of tubes too, selenium rectifier, a realignment would be in order ... basically its old ... but tube tuners sure can sound sweet. Because tube tuners are finicky they need to be serviced by someone who really knows what they are doing. You can check out the fmtunerinfo.com site for a list of qualified technicians. Many techs claim they can do an alignment but be wary, they need to have the right equipment. BTW ...that's a nice preamp you've got there. Have you seen this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5711111723&rd=1 ---------------- Servicing is no problem as there is a repair shop here in Chicago that works on all that stuff ,plus they are a certified Fisher among others service shop. The thing is that is it really worth to but a tube tuner over a newer analog SS one? I really listen to only a couple channels here and they come in clear on anything. The main reason that I was considering the 200FM as it would be a match for the X-202-B cosmetic wise. How would a Nice SS tuner sound compared to the Tube 202 FM?

I'm looking at getting a tuner that matches my Fisher X-202-B I- amp, I believe that it is called the FM-200-B tuner. The seller said that is is working sort of and that the I think one channel gets a little noisy after about 30 minutes of operation. I know that this question is very vague but would anybody venture a guess what the problem is with the unit and its value in this condition? TIA

I'm looking at getting a tuner that matches my Fisher X-202-B I- amp, I believe that it is called the FM-200-B tuner. The seller said that is is working sort of and that the I think one channel gets a little noisy after about 30 minutes of operation. I know that this question is very vague but would anybody venture a guess what the problem is with the unit and its value in this condition? TIA

I have bought both a Fisher 400 and a Fisher X-202-B but they have yet to be delivered. Could anyone tell me if the wooden covers are interchangeable between the two units? Also would the Fisher 400 Receivers cabinet fit on a Fisher 200 FM tuner? TIA