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Anyone out there used a Pathos amplifier with a pair of Khorns? I've been looking at the Pathos CinemaX surround amp for both two channel (Khorns) and home theatre (Khorns, Belles, and Heresy's) and would like to hear some feedback from someone who has heard this combination.
78Khorn
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TV looks fantastic. I'm probaly going to go bigger since I have the room for it.
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Not saying you should do this. This is what I'm probably going to do down the road with my Belles when I get a different TV.
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If my TV was configured like yours I would think about building or buying a stand that would raise the TV higher and allow for one of my Belles to fit beneath it. I would then use the other Belle for a back channel. This is probably the way I will go when the time comes for the next TV.
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TV is a Hitachi 65" HD rear project. My equipment is above the TV and I don't have any magnetic interference problems. I have a solid board between the equipment and the TV fors support and that might stop any problems. My room is 24.5 ' from corner to corner and that is how I am able to use two Belles for the center. Pictures here http://forums.klipsch.com/photos/the_klipsch_gallery/category1021.aspx
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I use two Belles as my center channel between my Khorns. With my 65" TV it was the only way I could get a good sound that matched the Khorns and was centered well with the big TV. I have the center channel Pre-amp out hooked into the left channel Main Amp in on the amp section of my HK 6650 Integrated Amp. I have the left center Belle hooked up to the Speaker 1 left channel speaker connection on the back of the HK and the right center Belle hooked up to the speaker 2 left channel speaker connection on the back of the hk. I have both speaker 1 & 2 selected for playback and that way I get good ballanced sound. Seems to work well for my HT.
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I bought a RC-7 from Harmony and was happy with it. Great price. I sold it later to get a speaker that matched my Khorns better.
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Now imagine a pair of ALKs!!![6]
Rick
Jeff and Meagain, Now imagine a pair of ALK's!!! +1. They are Sweet!
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Interesting pictures. If they are 1978 speakers then they have received a number of modifications. Even though the sticker in the picture is an S series which is 1978, the crossovers are AK-2 and not AA which is what 1978's have. The speaker connections to the based bin are definately newer than 1978 also.
78Khorn
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Rick, what setting did you settle on, 4-x or 5-2? I started on 4-x, went to 5-2 for about 6 months and then when I changed my speakers to the long wall I went back to 4-x.
Tim
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Meagain,
I never tried just new caps. My only experience was with the ALK's networks which was a very noticable improvement. I had read enough good comments on this forum that I went straight to them. The improvement was enough with my Khorns that I bought a pair immediately after purchasing my 1978 Belles also.
Is the speaker position that you are unhappy with the one by the fire place and curtain? I'm trying to recall your pictures. At my old house I had one speaker in a full corner with plenty of wall extending beyond the speaker and one speaker that I had to put a board behind to make a false corner. I never was able to make them sound the same although a equalizer did help. You want to make sure if you are using a false corner that it extends at least 4ft beyond the speaker. I think that there is a minimum length of wall that is recommended to extend beyond the speaker. Someone here on the forum must have that data and can tell you.
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from back in the olden days on page 3:
The anomalies in the left channel as shown in the graph need to be looked at. Best (but not necessarily most convenient) way to address that is to reverse the speakers and re-run the test exactly as run before. See if the anomaly follows the speaker or not. if it does there might be an issue with the speaker itself. if it stays on the left put the speakers back where they were and switch the speaker wires at the amp, run the test again. if the anomaly switches sides there might be an amp problem. if it doesn't switch sides put the speaker wires back where they were and switch the the L & R inputs from the CD player or whatever you're using, see where the anomaly goes. if none of this laborious testing changes anything there's likely an issue with nodes in the room. Obviously it's important to maintain the testing as closely as possible and also to put the stuff back like it was each time, otherwise you're testing the combined effect of changing several variables, which is meaningless. if you run through this basic testing people here will be able to help you get it sorted out. Otherwise, you can get an equalizer and start covering up anomalies by introducing others, which is a long and depressing path to nowhere.
Tom has done a good job of providing the next steps to take should your speakers turn out OK. If the speaker is bad then I'm sure you'll get a get a lot of input on what to look at there also.
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Meagain, moving them will be a pain but it will help you isolate the problem.
Well you got to admit this is turning into a hobby that is keeping you busy.
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Right, if she moves the speakers and the bad sound moves with them then the problem is the speaker or it's internal wiring. If she moves the speakers and the sound stays bad were it currently is bad, then the room EQ, external speaker wires, cd player or amp have a problem.
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On a earlier page 11 reply she answered my comment about that by saying she had done that and the same speaker still sounded bad. So that is why I think she should swap the speaker to determine once and for all if the problem is the speaker or its associated wires, or the room EQ/ equipment that is feeding the speakers i.e. CD player or amp.
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If I followed this thread correctly I think we know that Meagain believes the crossovers were an improvement but it sounds like one speaker sounds great and the other one sounds bad enough (no matter which crossover she has in it) that it isn't acceptable for her to listen to. So now she is trying to figure out why the sound in the one speaker isn't acceptable. Is it the speaker, the room accoustics or the CDplayer/Amp. Once the (bad)speakers sound is resolved then she can listen to both speakers with and without the new crossovers again and complete her crossover evaluation. I don't have enough energy to go back and read all of this thread again to see if I got this summary correct. Meagain, did I get this right?
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Meagain, while not the easiest check to do you could swap the speaker position and know for sure whether it is the speaker or the room.
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Meagain, rather than switching amps you could just hook up the right speaker to the left channel at the back of your amp and the left speaker to the right channel. Replay the same music you had on and see if the bad sound moved to the other speaker or not. This would tell you if the speaker had a problem or if the one channel of you DVD/AMP was bad. Then you can troubleshoot the correct equipment.
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Jeff, these mono comments were in response to the question of were the speakers really sounding different from each other or were they just receiving different stereo left and right channel sound.
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I have my HT center channel pre-amp out hooked into an Integrated amps left channel amp-in and I have my Belles hooked up to the left channel "A" and "B" terminals. I select the "A" + "B" setting and this lets me place the Belles on either side of my TV and play the center channel out of each at 8 ohms. Seem to work well and balance well with my Khorn mains.
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Other option is if your receiver has both "A" and "B" speaker outputs you can hook one speaker up to the left channel of speaker "A" and the other speaker up to the left channel of speaker "B" and then switch back and forth between speaker "A" and "B" to compare the sound.
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Mono isn't a hook-up. It would just be a button on your receiver. Most receivers have one.
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What year and finish are the Khorns your thinking of selling? I'm over in Bremerton.
78 Khorn
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I've been following these speaker/ amp/ crossover/ tax - threads all along but I'm waiting to add any additional comments until after the refurbed crossovers have been installed on both speakers.
78Khorn
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So what's your point with this post?