ok just i bit more info, they were covered in a bad naugahyde job,it is still on the backs, when i got them and when it was removed they needed alot of help. i do have 2 other pairs that are walnut so these where rolled in and out for use in the pool cage, so they did look great out by the pool.i do have the black grills or you can remove the cloth on there and replace it with what ever strikes your fancy.i am asking $700.00 obo.