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dang - got an "Unable to serve your request" error message that turned into a double post!
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Welcome to the forum and congrats on your K-horns!
It will be readily apparent if the woofers are working, you might need to cover the tweeters and the squawkers separately to confirm the tweeters are working.
I believe you will enjoy the K-horns with all your amps. You will obviously get a much bigger sound with the SET/K-horn combo than with the SET/Heresy combo.
Please post photos when you get your new speakers home!
What size is your listening room and what type(s) of music do you listen to most often?
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OB, it has much to do with the speakers efficiency.
Klipsch Heritage speakers, by design, work well with lower powered amps, like SETs, particularly the Khorn, Belle and LaScala rated at 104dB/watt @ 1 meter (I see they are now rated at 105dB/watt). Many also enjoy the Cornwalls and Heresys with low powered amps.
There aren't many speakers produced that are capable of being driven by low powered amps, Klipsch being among the few, yet the anti-SET crowd continues to bash those who enjoy them and to discourage anyone else from ever trying them.
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Thanks for the reminder of this manufacturer Erik, and thanks for the link Coda, I looked but couldn't find the website!
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Posted 09-03-2003, 11:36 AM
My Moondogs put only 3.25 watts per channel. Turning the volume up on my Belles, they get so loud I cannot stand it. At this volume almost everything in the room starts resonating.
The amp isn't clipping but the sound of the walls and furniture vibrating is god awful! I just can not imagine that anyone would listen at home at these volumes. I have had CD players on Shelves that start vibrating and the CD player starts skipping. I can hear the shelves vibrating and it's a far more annoying sound than most of the minutia discussed on audio forums.
I think this old post is what started the idea about shaking the plaster/rattling pictures on the wall.
All righty then; now we're gettin' somewhere!
Thanks for the quote.
Now that we know where the notion of 'wall and furniture vibration' occuring with low powered amps started...where does the referenced quote mention 1 watt or 1/3rd watt being all anyone would ever require?
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Now that's interesting! Here I've been led to believe that 1/3 of a watt for the entire loudspeaker was all that anyone could possibly need, and that most of the time 1/1000 of a watt would suffice.
Mr. Parrot: I've told you a hundred million thousand times not to exaggerate!! [
]Please show us one post that maintains that 1/3 of a watt was all anyone could possibly need.
TIA!
No more an exaggeration then claiming you can shack the pictures off the wall with authorative bass using a 1 watt amp. This stuff goes both ways Parrot is just equalizing the ridicules.
Craig
OK, I'll play! Please show me one post where anyone suggested they could shack the pictures off the wall using a 1 watt amp.
Ridicules indeed!
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Now that's interesting! Here I've been led to believe that 1/3 of a watt for the entire loudspeaker was all that anyone could possibly need, and that most of the time 1/1000 of a watt would suffice.
Mr. Parrot: I've told you a hundred million thousand times not to exaggerate!! [
]Please show us one post that maintains that 1/3 of a watt was all anyone could possibly need.
TIA!
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Are you using just your power source, or are you running a sub?Iron Maiden...bleh![+o(] Now if it was AC/DC or Led Zepp, oh yeah...I can attest to that sounding excellent on my SET amp thru the Cornwalls (and my Triangles)![Y]
OB, if you were referring to jt1stcav's post - he doesn't need a sub as he is running Cornwalls instead of LaScalas.
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Who the author is of something is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact. It was PWK. You can have the opinion that Ian Fleming wrote it, but the fact is that PWK wrote it.
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Once again the parrot misrepresents his opinion as fact. We should all be used to it by now; he goes on and on ad nauseam! [
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My best wishes to Larry and his family; we'll be praying for a speedy recovery!
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Anyone is welcome to have a personal opinion. But since it is personal, it doesn't necessarily apply to others. Someone else might relate, others not. It doesn't prove anything; it's just anecdotal.
I think of your situation as extraordinarily limited. An analogy might be made to a guy who could be happy only with a red-headed woman. He's ruled out brunettes for sure, based on one date in which everything went well but just wasn't magical enough.
It's harmless enough, just close-minded.
Get ready to see this quote in the future, Parrot! [
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Of the current network offerings I'd have to go with Boston Legal also, the only prime time offering I look forward to.
We don't subscribe the the premium channels, we rent DVDs when they become available.
When you figure in old standards the field opens up dramatically IMHO.
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In my experience kit built pieces hold their value best when accompanied by good photos that demonstrate solid assembly with good soldering skills. Kit pieces without good photos (or any photos) generally suffer on the resale market.
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The AE-3 does not have a stepped attenuator (neither does the Grounded Grid stock - it is offered as an upgrade on the GG).
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You can't go wrong with a Grounded Grid preamp IMHO. Dead silent and a very solid performer; I also believe it is a step (or two) up from a stock Foreplay...but that is also just my opinion.
I'd also look at Juicy Music kits...excellent products at good prices.
I did have an AES AE-3 pre (DJH version) at one time, both the GG and Peach easily better it IMO.
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The lack of sensitivity and awareness found on this forum is just unbelievable.
Klipsch out.
If you are not intelligent enough to recognize and be offended by ethnic slurs when you read, hear, or see them, it speaks volumes about your character and others not willing to speak up against them.
Klipsch out.
jaz has always been easily offended. His sensitivity should be ignored as he has obviously grown up in an environment of hate. Please, everyone, join me in giving jaz a group hug so he can rest easily tonight knowing he is a member of a community of love and support...he has had a tough cross to bear.
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Very good post jt1stcav! (The one above your last one)
I wish I had more time to post here than I do.
The Parrot seems to think I only pick on him, but if he went back and read all my posts he would find that I generally post against statements like "always" or "never"...or opinions stated as undeniable fact. The Parrot is in the "never" camp as far as low powered amps and Klipsch speakers are concerned and it simply isn't logical that so many people can enjoy low powered amps with Klipsch speakers and be totally wrong. I know I loved my SET amps. If my the majority of my posts are directed at the Parrot's, so be it - I ain't going back and counting, and it doesn't bother me in the least.
This is the Klipsch forum and Klipsch speakers are among very few that are efficient enough to perform well with low powered amps. For the Parrot to state unequivocally that Klipsch speakers don't or won't work with low powered amps is ludicrous. It's all good!
Peace brothers and sisters!
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Who controls you, sock puppet?
What is it about my personality that draws you to me like a magnet?[
][]It's your unfailing effort to present your opinion as fact; simple as that.
The only way for a person to decide if something works for him or her is to listen for themselves not just rely on opinon (biased in your case) on a public forum.
I fully understand that you didn't like the SET amp you heard, and with the large room you have I wouldn't recommend a low powered SET amp for you - but state unequivocally that SETs that surely doesn't mean a SET amp would not work well for someone else in their situation.
IMHO for you to make unequivocal statements about anything is pure arrogance on your part. [
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I find it extremely ironic that the Parrot wants to start discussing 'facts' at this point in the thread. The fact of the matter is that the thread was quite civil and informative until page 7 when the Parrot contributes with his opinion (which he never qualifies as opinion - he always presents his pure opinion as undeniable fact):
From page 7 of this thread:
SET vs. old SS:
And the answer is: Any old SS amp will crush any SET amp.
Pure opinion.
SET is lifeless, not only at high volumes but at low volumes too. It's not necessary to play a recording of a symphony at anywhere near a realistic level to figure that out.
Pure opinion.
If, if, there were something going on with SET at low levels that could not be rendered better by a push-pull or even some SS amp, then SET would merit some consideration. But it's always anemic, that's just the way it is.
Pure opinion.
SET has inverse bragging rights about being low-watt, but other than as a science demonstration, so what?
HUH?
Every time I've heard SET being demonstrated for potential sale, it's always the same little girl jazz singer kind of material, maybe with someone tapping a couple bass strings or brushing a drum kit. SET is barely passable that way, if you want to restrict yourself to that kind of source music. If you put on anything with some energy, it comes out spiritless.
Pure opinion.
The Parrot has been given "time-outs" by the moderator of this forum for his anti-SET baiting and he is back at it once again - surprise suprise. It would be nice to see one of the Parrot's anti-SET posts prefaced with a simple 'IMO' but he doesn't seem honest enought to concede to that statement.
Rarely (if ever) have seen a SET advocate say that SET amps are the be all - end all for everyone in every situation or bash anyone else's desire to enjoy or experiment with other topologies.
I have personally enjoyed several vintage SS amps, several push-pull tube amps, several SET amps of varying output wattages, and even a digital amp. It's all good!
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Kevin:"He did mention that they were 'professionally assembled' - That was you wasn't it?"Erik
Not trying to start a fight but...... Wouldn't "built by an experienced SET hobby builder" be more accurate. I've never heard of a professional without the proper tools for the trade. I thought you were a professional school teacher?
Craig
Not trying to start a fight but I thought you were a professional 'handy man' a couple of years ago...isn't that correct? I wouldn't want to forget the friendly [
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Purely as stress relief due to my wife having to go ino for heart arithmya testing twice next week for the first time at 42.
I feel the need to be snidely commedic.
"I wasn't sure there was a great sounding expensive 2A3 tube".
baa daa bump tish ( snare drum & crash sound)
Thank you for your patience.
I do feeel slightly guilty for this post but I am sure I will get over it.
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Thanks for posting something constructive...
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As I said prevously, I think oldbukster has pretty much made his mind up and would be best served by a good transistor based receiver. They are easy to maintain, deliver pretty good sound and are very reliable.
Asking opinons on this forum is basically a waste of time...oldbukster would be better served to invest a few hours of his own time to listen to the various topologies and make his own decisions.
This SET vs. PP vs. SS debate will continue until the end of time. No one topology is 'better' than any other, merely 'different' and each has its own following and its own place.
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So I'm sitting in my den listening to music at say...85 dB. Have you ever pulled an SPL meter out and check how loud the music was when you weren't showing off for your neighbor?
Your stated 1 watt =97dB; .5 watt = 94dB; .25 watt = 91dB.
Hmmm...I think I still have some headroom left at 85 dB?
FWIW I also don't see many folks recommending SETs with Heresy's, but maybe I didn't read close enough. [
]Edit!: I didn't read close enough - I wouldn't recommend SETs with Hereys's unless the room was prettty small. I have been very happy with a '70s Yamaha receiver and Heresy's in a smallish room for many many years (more years than I want to think about).
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So, a SET amp must have Khorns or Belles to operate correctly, High Efficiency is all that will work with SET? So are you limited as to the speakers you can use............doesn't make much sense to me to limit one's options with power source............Would SET power my H2's? Seems like, and correct me if I'm wrong,(yeah right) SET is really more for the TECHNICAL type guy, one needs to like the technical point of view in order to use and enjoy their equipment, make adjustments, learn and know tubes, bias everything, warm up and cool down,............................Maybe SET is more than this old guy wants to do to listen to music.......................Bring on the Yamaha......or..the Pioneer......something, anything............SETs vs. old SS- Listening experiments......OK??....where are they......
Old bukster - go buy a Yamaha or Denon or 'whatever' receiver and enjoy the music! It's all good! And you obviously don't (or aren't willing to) understand a thing that has been said by the pro-SET crowd; but that's OK too - you have plenty of company.
Let's face it, SETs just aren't some folks cup'o'tea, but that's just fine! The folks that have speakers that are efficient enough (not just Klipsch but a very few others as well) and have their listening space in rooms as opposed to caverns can live happily ever after limiting themselves to <100dB music in the comfort of their own homes!
There are obviously two camps and neither are right or wrong, just different.
Please remember that what sounds good to a person is subjective and we all post our opinions although some of us like to make our opinions sound like fact.
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SETs vs old SS � Listening experiments
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Why does the anti-SET crowd always claim SETs are 1wpc? We understand you don't like 'em but you would do more to bolster your debate if you were honest in your attacks! It really only leaves them ~498.5 - 490 watts behind overkill! [
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