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depends on your receiver and its settings, but here goes:
first, you have to understand that a crossover is progressive. it has a slope. therefore, your mains will still receive some signal under 80Hz, just less and less as you go down in frequencies.
second, it depends whether you set your mains to small, but if you do, the sub will take over, meaning the mains will not receive any deep bass. there is a setting that is called mains+LFE or something where the signal still goes to the mains. but i'm not too sure about that, you'd have to ask Denon owners.
the LFE (Low Frequency Effects, dedicated bass track) always goes to the sub when you have one.
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depnds what you want.
as Ears just said, if finish and quality are important to you, go with the SS (not that the quality of the Ultras is lacking, but it just has a much more "no frills" approach). if you just care about sound, then the two Ultras should rock your boat quite nicely.
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any SACD player will probably be very good at playing CDs too. however, all else being equal, I would venture that AT THE SAME PRICE, another CD player would include better DACs or have better quality. I have read a report, can't remember where, where there was a comparison between a high-end transport/dac combo and the top-of-the-line Sony SACD player, and the SACD player was found to be lacking in regular CD playing. not only that, but the guy seemed unimpressed by the SACD performance too...
here, I found the link, it's actually from the Klipsch website...
http://www.klipsch.com/listeninglounge/speakerboyspeaks.asp
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what???
the KLFs are BIGGER than the RF-7s??
alright, I changed my mind again!
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nah, Ears, I don't think there's enough amplifier difference between the 5800 and 4802 to warrant the high price, plus the 4802 has PL2. just look at the power supplies, they look very similar in the 4802 and 5800, while the 38series on down has those smallish square transformers that really look wimpy in comparison...
so at the max it will be the 4802.
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forrest,
you are right, my idea diverged from KLF-20s or 30s to the Ref series. it wasn't only because of TheEars, however. One big factor was that basically everybody I talked to about them, and a lot of people I wrote to about them, told me they were quite a bit brighter than the Ref series. Now, I like the Klipsch sound (it's aLIVE!), but since I'm still young (20), the high frequencies have to be relatively tame in order not to make my ears bleed. Add to this the fact that I will be using the speakers with my Sony receiver (not known for its butta smooth sound), and you have a poor grinding-teeth Seb.
now, this would count for naught if I was able to audition them and hear for myself, but unfortunately it's very hard to find a dealer that still carries the beasts here in Montréal, as I understand they were discountinued, and the Ref series is sooo much more marketable (can't beat those copper-colored woofers!) and that's notwithstanding the fact that I'd probably have a good deal of difficulty getting them from my work, as they are very rare nowadays. maybe direct from Klipsch...
I don't know how old you are, but I know I can hear high frequencies better and louder than most people, and certainly than HornEd and his mother, with all due respect. A times, even my present hornless rig seems too bright to me, although I believe it's more related to the messy and uncontrolled(as opposed to piercing) high freqs. sucks to have Sony speakers. weird, though, because I like them much better than the seemingly higher-quality JBL I use in the rear, with their titanium tweeter. seems like the midrange is way too forward compared to my Sonys.
on another note, listened to Hotel California and cranked up the volume yesterday... didn't know you could ACTUALLY have shivers go down your spine from music. I wonder what that'd sound like on some nice Klipsch!
This message has been edited by Seb on 01-30-2002 at 07:56 PM
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Oh man!
Now I have to spend twic as much as I thought I'd have to! Damn you HornEd, damn you!
In any case, I will wait for the results of the comparison between phantom and main as center. Should be interesting, since I am always the one in the sweet spot and nobody else cares, I could just get two RF-7s and wait until my cash level is back to a normal state, then put down the dough to get another pair.
I should stop trying to save money. I will HAVE to buy those monsters, whatever I do, or so it seems.
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HornEd, very interesting what you say about the RC-7... In your opinion, would I be better off getting 3 RC-7s and spending the rest on, say, external amplification, more subwoofin', or put it aside for a decent TV? Or are the RF-7s going to give me so much more performance for music and ht that it's still worth getting them?
If it was strictly for ht, and given the current state of affairs where most receivers adhere to the small speakers-oriented THX standard 80Hz crossover, I would have no problems saving my dough and going for the RC-7s, but I find myself listening to music more and more, and RF-7s seem to me like they would definitely be superior to the smaller RC-7s, no?
Sorry if I'm being tiring to you, oh HornEd one, but I can't avoid plunging my bucket in your well of knowledge and experience...
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HornEd!!! The LEGEND himself (pun definitely intended)!! Man is it glad to see you after all this time... Glad i got back on this forum! How are you doing?
As to the KLF-C7 advice, I was simply sticking to the question asked. Of course, all of us would like a big KLF-30-based center speaker, but it isn't always practical, cost- or room-wise...
And defnitely build a home theater system on a solid bass fondation. The best and most market improvement in my system was definitely the sub, and even though I'm kind of a bass-head, I know everyone loves the rumbling action of a good sub. Home theater without a sub simply isn't the same.
A question for you, HornEd, have you ever tried separate amplification for your great speakers? I am probably getting RF-7s and and RC-7 soon, but I'm still torn between sticking with my Sony DB receiver for now, going all-out and buying a Denon 4802, buying a separate amp for now, and maybe the 3802 down the road, or any combination of those... I know the Legends aren't the same as the new Ref series, but they're still super-efficient Klipsch, and I trust your ear. So what do you think? Separates or receiver? And do I need a 4802 or can I live with the Sony for a while?
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hi,
i was wondering what a good ceiling height would be for a home theater. the room I'm going to move mine too has a pretty darn low ceiling, and I wonder what effect it will have on the sound...
thanks!
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yes, it seems to me that with the economies of scale they are making (remember, receivers are much more popular than separates), rewceiver manufacturers achieve a greater amount of features and very good quality for a price that is often comparable, if not inferior to that of good pre/pros. a lot of people use that kind of combination with great results.
and you could always use those internal amps to drive speakers in other rooms in a multiroom setup...
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with the price I'm getting on the Denon stuff, no way am I even looking into others. remember, I get stuff at cost since I work in an electronics/hifi store...
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Keith,
now you've just made my heart all warm and fuzzy inside... it would be so great if it were true! I'll try and get ahold of a store that has both types of combos hooked up to make up my mind...
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is that to put in your jaguar?
you should check out the "I need advise on subwoofers" thread in this same section.------------------
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TheEar, were you listening to music yesterday night? I heard a rumble but there was no thunderstorm, figured it was probably your system...
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how big is your room, and what type of music do you listen to?
fwiw, I would drop the KSW15 from your choices. although it has a lot of impact at 30Hz and above, which is good for movies, it might not give you the desired performance level for critical material like music.
SVS are said to be very musical, which I cannot confirm, but I know my PW-2200 does the job very well, however, it's quite a bit below your price range, so maybe you could eke out some more performance for your dollars.
hope it helps.
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I second the Paradigm suggestion. Very pleased with it. SVS offers very good boom-for-the-buck ratios also if you're in the US, I'D check them out as well.
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told you, my choice is limited.
and since I live in Canada, the Outlaw would probably cost me as much as a 3802!!
i'm not so much worried about the LEVEL of sound as I am about the QUALITY of amplification and separation of the amp/preamp sections. i know there are many that argue that there are no real differences, but I've seen so many threads about the benefits of separates, that I'm having serious doubts.
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it is a deciding factor, but to the point of spending several hundred dollars on it?
I guess I could justify the expense by the cool remote, but I've only heard complaints about it's ease of use, or lack of rather...
I think I'll wait, buy the speakers only, then the amp, then when I change rooms I can think about a receiver that will do 7.1.
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Keith,
I only want preouts for the front two channels, and probably the center channel at some later time. plus, the Denon has pre outs for all channels including both pairs of surrounds and surround backs, of course. so either way I'm covered.
where were you getting at? the only bug I could foresee would be that the bass management of the Denon was not applicable to the pre-outs. now don't tell me it's not!
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you know what? I think that for now, since my room is pretty small, I'll stick with what I have and just buy the external POA-5200 amp. later on, I'll see what I'll do. besides, at the prices I'm getting the stuff at, I can probably make a profit out of reselling it!
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This message has been edited by Seb on 01-27-2002 at 12:25 AM
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that's a steal!
like, literally...
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I second what dougdrake said, especially if you're moslty watching movies alone, or if the people you're watching them with don't really care about sound.
a phantom center channel will replace pretty efficiently the real deal when you can be in the sweet spot all the time, especially if your room isn't too big.
This message has been edited by Seb on 01-26-2002 at 07:03 PM
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if black anodized heatsinks had better cooling properties, people would be using these to cool their overclocked PC processors...
and all the CPU heatsinks I've seen are of the non-anodized sort.
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are you opposed to using a receiver as a pre/pro, bypassing its amplifier section completely?
if so, then I'd probably try and wait for the Outlaw 950, unless you're in a hurry.
if not, I'd consider the Denon 3802 as a preamp, the only thing bothering me A LOT about it is the lack of a properly adjustable xover.
see our discussion in the "Big Towers vs. Smaller Towers" thread.
you should check out the "I need advise on subwoofers" thread in this same section.
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'cuz not a lot of people have ever said
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