MistaChy
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they need to be able to wash my car, do back flips, and cook me breakfast for 20 thousand a pairPricing-- choke - clutch chest- fall to floor- OMG.
Has anybody heard these??
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they look space age and exotic...
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I have many hours(and $$$$$$) invested in this very issue. Heres my 2 cents worth. I prefer the BK-carver- Sunfire-Crown option of used outboards off e-bay Audiogon- or our garage. The bang for the buck is favorable. The Emotiva or Outlaw stuff is also a great choice. IMHO I dont hear a ton of difference between brands. Any decent clean power amp will work fine. Mixing brands is not a problem-IMHO. I had a loaner set of FR 83s for a few days before diving into the Heritage stuff. The RF 83s are fantastic speakers for HT applications. But IMHO they do sound much better with a load of power 200-250-300 watts. Tried them both ways. My personal favorite is the raw power of the carver/Sunfire line. You can pick these up cheap if you are patient. I think using the marantz as a pre out/ control unit is the right way to go. I have a Sony ES but would prefer the Marantz if I had it to do over. It is my opinion that receiver power is inadequate and grossly misrepresented by the manufacturers. 5 speakers- buy 5 outboards. I think you will end up with a killer setup - given your coments.
killer is exactly what im looking for
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guess ill stick with the rsx-5's for now, but im sure ill be upgrading them to rb 61's soon enough. thanks for stoping me from making a mistake
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asdflaskdfaskjdh "double post"
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reading threads from other sites, i came across this
IMHO, Heavy and Punchy bass are kind of an oxymoron. Generally heavy bass tend to sound boomy or muddy whilst the tightest punchiest type speakers actually sound rather bass light compared to the usual fare - that is until you crank it in which case the punchy bass sounds much more powerful and in your stomach than the heavy or plodding room vibrating "heavy" bass.
I realize this all depends on how you define heavy...i need to feel it in me
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reading threads from other sites, i came across this
IMHO, Heavy and Punchy bass are kind of an oxymoron. Generally heavy bass tend to sound boomy or muddy whilst the tightest punchiest type speakers actually sound rather bass light compared to the usual fare - that is until you crank it in which case the punchy bass sounds much more powerful and in your stomach than the heavy or plodding room vibrating "heavy" bass.
I realize this all depends on how you define heavy...i need to feel it in me
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here is the issue... when i upgrade from my lil temporary 200 watt HKTS sub, i hope to get more boom. but what im lacking is the puchiness from the RF-82's... im used to having 15's that just shake your T-shirt with punch power. im old school but im trying to accomplish old school and save space at the same time. im sure it can be done.Not to be rude by any means but do you know exactly what your doing? You seem to have some awesome gear but do you have everything set up to max performance. Tweaking a receiver can make a world of difference and for the "thump" you are wanting i would upgrade the rw-12d to something a lot larger for your tastes
the way i have it set up now, my 82's get loud, but they dont really have the punch i desire. i need to be able to feed them more juice and push them harder to get the power and umph! in your face!! that i need... thats why i either wanted to get a seperate amp to push the 83's (250 watts going in them) or try to run 4 fronts as i was wanting to do earlier, so i resorted back to what people were recommending which was seperates in the first place. so thats why i decided to maybe try a different set up than i have now to just test the waters and see what kind of sound i get. money isnt an issue, im just dabbling around to find what i desire out of all of this.
i got a good idea of what I want to do now, most of the posts here have been very helpful. if i dont get what i need from the amp in the marantz using the 83's, im almost certain that the emotiva xpa-2 pushing 250 into each rf-83 wont dissappoint me. as someone once said, the rf-82's and the rf-83's arnt in the same league.
the sound coming from my speakers need to make me feel the way this baby looks
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LOL.... i didnt want to get an infraction for using the term i really wanted to use [
] so i had to post the G rated version. And yes JB, you are quite right... I've been getting a lil beat up as of late, but im just trying do wat makes me happy, and thats whats up!
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dsfgd darn double post, i wish there was a way to delete double posts
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thanks guys, i got exactly what i needed to know. i really appreciate the great advice... im off to do damage now
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oh and far as money goes, i dont look at price to make decisions most of the time unless its pointless to spend more when i dont have to. but if i see something i reaaaaallly like, the price wont deter me from buying it unless im being taken advantage of
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so if i dont feel the power I desire from the Marantz with the RF-83's and the RC-64 running off of the built in amp, I see one of my options as upgrading to to the XPA-3 or 5 and having that push my 83's and center channel...
what im desiring is thump in my chest, if the marantz can do that combined with the rw12d, i might stick with what i have... otherwise ill have to keep seeking until i find a resolution.
I was really thinking that here in 2009 that there would be a really quite like tight preamp (really hi-tec and savy with all the bells and wistles offered) on the market in case I ever did want more out of a pre-amp than the Marantz 8002 could offer. Maybe there are, i just dont know of any.
Theres what thePlummer suggested, the sunfire and theres this:
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3922.asp
and this:
http://us.marantz.com/Products/2317.asp
But im not sure of what better or more capability I would have over using the Marantz 8002 as my preamp like William suggested... To be honest, I really want\ in a preamp something that I can use with my computer wirlessly. Not that its a necessary option for everyone, but in the new age, I like to go big... at first I thought buying a 2000 dollar receiver was going big, but as I play with it and get into it, like I said earlier, the upgrade bug has me wanting more out of it. But first things first, get the RF-83's in July, then see how they sound. I think that is first thing I need to do like William said.
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Im in surround sound heaven. I was intending to get the RSX-5s as rears, but these RS-52's are argasmic to my ears. Is it not possible to just run 4 RS-52's for surrounds and surrounds backs for the time being instead of the RSX-5s in the back?
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b4 i buy a pre amp... or the emotiva, ill do what your asking, thats a good idea. but if my t-shirt doesnt vibrate from the punch, the emotiva is definately an option to push more juice into them to make em kick harder. its 250 watts per channel. what are you using to run your center channel if you have one? is that where that 3rd channel is going? and what is running your sub?thats probably a good idea, but what you are suggesting is that i run the front speakers off of an external amp?
I said if once you get the Marantz hooked up to your RF-83's, take an objective listen and then decide if it is lacking. When I felt like my Onkyo really did not have enough oomp to run my whole setup, I bought a used B&K 200w 3-channel amp and the difference was astonishing. The Onkyo had enough juice for most 2 channel applications with my RF-63's, but it lacked noticeably with all channels running. My Onkyo works great as a preamp and running my surrounds. I firmly believe your Marantz with it's better power supply and preamp section would run circles around my Onkyo.
Bill
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no its not, im just very confused and desperite to fulfill this deep desire to rock my box and make my t-shirt vibrate... i never heard of marantz b4 joining the klipsch forum, apparently im listening :-\I don't want to be rude either but, I feel like all are help is going in one ear and out the other.
all my life ive been a receiver man, i wanted to give it one last shot before i tossed the idea out the window and migrate to seperates like what was suggested so many times. i may not have did exactly as suggested, but those suggestions were definately heard and are now being excersized... your help is appreciated, i dont know why you would think otherwise
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yea i re-read it.. what did you need me to focus on, cause i still think i need more power to make the RF-83's really punch and vibrate my T-shirt when they come in? I'll give them a listen, but i need a contingency plan.PLEASE re-read my post in this thread http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/t/121218.aspx and take it seriously to heart!
"I don't want to sound rude and I know your money is your money but by your recent threads it seems that you don't really care how much money you're throwing at your system. If you take your time and do some research you'll be able to invest your money into things that will really improve the quality of your system and not have to resort on throwing something together and then spending more money on upgrades immediately after."
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I have officially contracted the upgrade bug...
MistaChy,
Your system profile says RF-83's(coming soon). Have you actually received your RF-83's and hooked them up to your Marantz yet? If not, wait. The "synergy" between the Marantz and the 83's may be great. It is your hard earned $$$ to spend but I would wait and listen first. If then you feel it is lacking, add a 3, 5, or 7 channel amp for some boost. I believe the 8002 would make a great preamp for maybe another Marantz amp or any other quality amp.
Bill
thats probably a good idea, but what you are suggesting is that i run the front speakers off of an external amp?
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im trying to find the support site so i can take a look at specs and product manual. what is the home site for this product. i keep getting "reviews" to come up when i google it
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The Marantz is okay, but I crave more power, so I'm wanting to go the seperates route which was at first recommended my many of you fine gentlemen. You live and you learn right, sometimes the hard way. [
]So far I've heard, with a XPA-5 combined with a XPA-2, you get 7 channel setup... If thats true, then all I need to decide on is a Pre-Amp hopefully... but I dont know if I'll need an additional XPA-2 to power the subs. I'm not sure how that works for the .1 and .2... I need lots of channels (more than 7) and have to ability to run 2 subs because eveunually I will be wanting a 7.2 setup.
I'm looking for a pre amp that can provide many bells and whistles, sirius being one of them, also a really good supply of surround settings. Wifi access to communicate with windows vista is a plus.
I will be pushing the RF-83's and the RC-64... and will eventually upgrad my side surrounds and surrounds backs as well to the RS-62 and RB-61... I have officially contracted the upgrade bug...
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well said bill.... well said. (applause)
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Once you have heard 7.1 you will not want to go back. That is my opinion. That doesn't mean I don't like 2 channel audio also but DTS True HD is better than I would have expected.
I am also not a big fan of expensive cables or bi-wiring. I do think bi-amp with an active crossover can be an improvement though. Put your money in better speakers first. You will hear the difference, even with 16 AWG zipcord wire.
i especially like 7.1 on multichannel audio. i love to hear the music envelope all around me
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im in texas, i care about sound [Thanks for all of the speedy replies and advise on the speakers. I just need to quit being cheap and get the 82's. I will be happier with the sound and upgrade in the end i"m sure. It's nice to know there is so many people out there with advise and williung to share it. Where I am in Texas there isn't many people that seem to care about a good sound. Please keep the advise coming as there is only 1 dealer within 150miles of where I live and I'm sure he is tired of me already. Very insightful proffesor about Moe with the camaro. Is it that obvious? Ok new question do you think that I should really use all 7 channels for the other set of rears in a room roughly 18'x22'. Also can I not bi-wire the speakers with kimber kable to try and clean up the recording as much as possible? thanks again for all of the knowledge thus far.
]CECAA850 is in texas too...
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ive heard the term overkill mentioned once or twice in the past [A fellow forum member asking if he should upgrade. Do you actually think someone will say no????
]i just figured since i wasnt getting anywhere near maximum output of the rc62... maybe getting the rc64 probably was a waste. but whats this i hear about synergy? im basic.... some one please explain.
and when you say depth... do you mean warmth bassyness in the vocals?
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IMO: Multi-Channel Audio Lovers...
in Home Theater
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This is what I've experienced with multi-channel surround sound audio listening using the Marantz 8002 with the RF-82 Home Theatre System Components with a HKTS sub. The scoring system im using is not for liking, but rather its merely to give an example of the intensity or impression of the setting.
PLII Music: This is very delicious... If you like tight, flatter, cleaner bass and heavier more prevalent audio, this setting is great.
Neo:6 Music: This is a personal favorite of mine. Deeper intense bass and heavy surround speaker activity... However, with the great bass, the vocals tend to suffer. (see below)
CSII Music: This setting is like a merger of Neo:6 and PLII.
Neural-THX is for multi-channel audio and I don't have very much of that, so I dont use this setting.
M-CH Music: This is the multi-channel music setting specifically for 2CH stereo music. It is very energetic (wavy ambiance) in my opinion.
M-CH Movie: Now I know this setting isn't for music, but it works very well with 2CH music and is designed for 2CH movies. It's almost identical to M-CH Music with only 2 minor differences.