Ramsha
-
Posts
38 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Forums
Events
Gallery
Posts posted by Ramsha
-
-
As for you being on the west coast, when you sign up to the forum, it lists your time zone, and as such that you are listed as the same time zone as I, the west coast theory seems to be flawed.
When I signed up, I didn't care and still don't care as to what default location it chooses for me. Hope that help.
Further still, I believe there is another lie in the fact that through your own statements your experience with Klipsch is one month, yet you have friends with K-Horns of which you have experience with, well I'm calling
on that one as the Klipschorn is not available at best buy.Trying to find some contradictions in my 'cliams' is fine, but I know what I know, I have learnt, what I have! BB carry hundreds of speakers in aroom and many of those are Klipsch -- towers, quintet etc. etc. Sales man would 'close' the doors of the room during demo to 'give you great' feel of every product they keep. I asked the Salesman why to close doors? Answer : "Experience the quality ... compared to Bose you just heard" (which were all outside in big hall with hundreds of other TVs/systems blaring sound)! I didn't heard Klipsch (this time) there by Mirage and Definitive.. Mirage was far better. (didn't recall their brand numbers/name.. ) Many a times they will playKlipsch first and then Definitive and finally Polk etc. to 'hint' their own heirarchy of speakers! One guy was keen to demonstrate the powers of Mirage and I was sincerely impressed.
At friends place they have Polk and Klipsch. Heard them. Polk in my taste was a tade higher. Heard V-10s hundreds of times at (I owed one till recently..). Lovely piece.
Overall, it's the taste of particular pair of ears that matter.
Now whatever you call [bs], yours choice..!
-
Cheap shot and a tripple post there eh, TROLL?
Roger
My apology for that, didn't mean to hurt.. intended as a light joke came out badly.
-
She would probably ask you if you are nuts for considering that for 3K, or she would not be that nice about it.
ok... I thought it's you who is 'audiophile' at your home [D] .. Enjoy your evening! [|-)]
-
She would probably ask you if you are nuts for considering that for 3K, or she would not be that nice about it.
ok... I thought it's you who is 'audiophile' at your home [D] .. Enjoy your evening! [|-)]
-
She would probably ask you if you are nuts for considering that for 3K, or she would not be that nice about it.
ok... I thought it's you who is 'audiophile' at your home [D] .. Enjoy your evening! [|-)]
-
You want room filling sound, come on over with a blindfold on, nothing should matter except the sound quality right ? If looks are more important, I am talking to the wrong person sorry, I thought we were talking quality audio, not WAF .
What if I need both? Do you have any readymade solutions? Or is that in your theory exclusive properties. To simplify for you: Are you saying if I need performance, I won't get Aesthetics and vice-versa?
-
When the engineers said they had reached physical limits, the comments were true....manufacturing capabilities at the time were the limiting factor. They had already designed the next set of faster chipsets when those comments were made because they knew it was only a matter of time for the manufacturing capabilities to catch up. It wasn't a matter of "maybe we can do better", but was entirely a matter of "this is the best we can do right now". If you are unable to build something, then it isn't physically realizable. But again, they had already designed the next two generations of chipsets before it was even possible to start manufacturing them.
I was trying to get answers to these here: http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/learning/waveguide.jsp
I know you all will make fun of this or me by quoting this site. But I was reasing it seriously. I don't think they are fooling us by writing all these.
Let me quote from this site: "Additional analysis and measurements showed that the tube could be folded into intricate patterns with no ill effect on sound quality. This meant a waveguide measuring several feet in length could be woven into a small tabletop enclosure, delivering sound with more clarity, depth and lifelike quality than a conventional component stereo system. "
Probably this would explain some of it to us.. But still... I am going to learn further even if I purchase one brand or other... :-)
-
Will have V-30. I heard them for many a weeks and others for months... Decided to go for V-30. Great.... However, I must say others sounded great, but there was some detailing in V-30 that was missing in most of them,
The V-30 systems I've seen online run about $3000. Before I'd lay out that much on the Bose V-30, I'd want to hear other systems in the same price range. Klipsch has a few:
WF-34 - http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/wf-34-home-theater-overview/
XL-23 - http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/xl-23-home-theater-overview/
RF-62 - http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/rf-62-home-theater-system-overview/
Three different product lines with different attributes, but all 5.1 channel home theater systems for around $3000. True, you'll need to supply your own amp and DVD player, so you could knock it down to the next lower system with prices in the $2000-$2500 range, leaving enough left over for an AVR and DVD player.
If after comparing all of those systems (including any other brands you might think of), you should go with what sounds the best to you.
I have heard all these and all are excellent. So overall whichever one I get, I will land in the range of $3K+! So much for overpriced Bose. Anyway the sound from the ones you mentioned is excellent. The problem is it's not 'user-freindly' or to an exten 'listener-friendly' (mean : you need to bother to set them to get a "Sweet SPOTs" etc. etc.! Even Klipsch Site mention Sweet Spot generously in their demo videos!
I propose you look this, if you can rationally help me with this: http://www.bose.com/popup/tech_details/popup_waveRadioReveal.jsp
This is about Size and filling sound. That caught my attention on Bose site.
-
Obviously, my system isn't a fair comparrison to any $3,000 system.
I guessthe first question would be, do you have space for a decent sized pair of tower speakers. I can't understand the V-30 unless you live in a very tiny appartment with neighbors and thin walls, or a house trailer. If I lived in a house trailer, I think I would have to spend my $3,000 towards a down payment.
I will offer you this, if you have room to possibly place some decent sized towers, I will invite you over to my parents home in Lima, Ohio to listen to the system that I put together for them. Something similar could be done in that price range, and I garantee it will shread your expectations as long as you have room for tower speakers.
Roger
I live in a home with ample space. But I won't mind even Apartment or even a house trailer. No issues. However, my quests is for 'better sound' even if I have to spend some money in the range you quoted. I am in west coast and not in Ohio area. Won't reach you, but have freinds with great Klipschorns etc. and big set up and have experienced them quiet a lot.
My quest is simple: Why so much of wood and big driver is needed to produce that level of sound. Dr. Who provided a good theory - but that's conventional. All speakers are build on that and hence need towers.
But component systems also 'don't save you money if the argument is Bose is overpriced etc. I am ending up at same range with Klipsch, Definitive, KEF, Mirage and Polk! So. that nullify! Also, I don't need "EXTRA" Bass to get excited. I need uniformity and completion of sound etc. Tha'ts the requirement. So, I thought this forum may help, but....
-
What model of Bose do you have? I have read the past 4 pages, and did not see once you mentioning what exact product you have. I am curious.
Will have V-30. I heard them for many a weeks and others for months... Decided to go for V-30. Great.... However, I must say others sounded great, but there was some detailing in V-30 that was missing in most of them,
The story you have is great and realistic... I won't disbelieve that. Klipsch too sound well! I depends what I need for my ears -- is it more Bass, etc. etc. or full package? and how my ears react to that! Taste matters..
-
I would say it matters as you stae you like Bose better then Klipsch, but have never even heard a set like mine that are Klipsch. I'd say it speaks volumes about your expertise of your own opinion.
Roger
OK, Be happy with your knowledge! I am with mine!
-
If you can give us THAT without the pain, we'll talk.
As if I was arguing with you. [|-)] I said twice 'Be Happy'. and you keep coming back to me. You are following Roger's way... Tring to compare and compete as if I am spokesman for Bose!
I said 2 things: A) Tendencies of Bose Bashers and flimsy arguments they put forward
Why small speakers (Cubes) from Bose sound as same as much bigger ones from their competitiors. I wanted to know. I am searching. Stopping here!
-
How could you have anything against my speakers?? You have never even heard a pair of these.
Roger
Does that matter?
-
Trust me, if I could get similar sound as I get from my Klipshorns with a small Bose I would buy them, but you can't. And until some laws are broken you won't be able to.
What's up? You churn out judgement faster than Judge Judy on the Idiot Box! [
] -
You are correct sir, in that there is no competition, your Bose do not do what you say they do. You have only heard bargain store Klipsch in the last month and you feel experienced enough to speak however uninformed on the subject. I say I will prove you wrong in person, no fight, no argument, watt for watt, Db for Db, SPL for SPL, clarity for clarity. Pack up your cubes and let's compare, you just might learn that your one month education just aint all that...
Roger
OK! Be happy with your monstrously powerful speakers.. [ip] I have nothing against them.
-
To me, this sounds like wishful thinking, and the fact that you do not acknowledge the fact that acoustical engineering and EM engineering are as closely coupled as they are shows a lack of understanding of the fundamental science of either one.
OK! Be happy.[
] -
Now this is fine IF that is an underlying requirement (very small room, office etc.), but you should expect significant sound degradation over a system designed to work with the physics of sound.
Plausible. Again, I have yet to come to that judgement. Product positioning for different segments need you have different products.I am not for comparing Apples and Oranges. Sound degradation can happen even in using over sized speakers/sources in any size room.
-
Trust me (I've been in the business for 25+ years), if antennas (which is ALL a speaker is) could be made smaller without COMPRIMISE, they would be, and whoever could do it would be filty rich.
I haven't reached that judgment as yet! Similar arguments were put forward during the years I have quoted in the analogies! All hid their heads in embarassements later. Accoustics Science and Engineering has its own specialities and pecularities..Yet, the trend is same/similar.
-
.... Prove it....
Dear Roger
What to Prove? There is no competition buddy!
-
I would postulate that much of your (and most Bose afficianados) amazement comes from hearing sound from a inadequate source that does not sound as bad as it should given the underlying physics
Read this sentence of your own. That will amaze yourself -- what you just said! [
] Think. It's not time to be biased due to our Brand Loyalties! I was blindly and to some extent even now a Sony Brand loyal for many gizmos, but then Bose has done something that has triggered something in my mind.
I have nothing against Klipsch, it has great product series too... But I am looking for pathbreaking products.. Sony has provided in past decades, Bose too! -
I'm surprised Bose is not in the RF and microwave business, their profits (if their 'science' of sound was actually sound) would be magnitudes greater.
The math and physics are identical.
[
] Bose have developed Auto-Suspension system. That's look quite fantastic on videos on YouTube and their internet site! May be one day they would do something with Microwave too! [8-|] Who knows? I won't speculate! -
It is no surprise that electronics can miniturize circuits. However, transfering electrical energy to air as acoustical energy is a far different thing. Are you saying that Bose have re-enginneered speakers towards a more efficient energy transfer?
That's a intelligent question and that's precisely what I am trying to figure out. Honestly, their cubes sound fantastic. I don't know what abd how they are doing their engineering/research, I went through their internet site "Learning Center". I could understand that they are doing some serious stuff, but again, the question you have put is the core of the matter, that I am curious to know!
The only thing I can think off is that the classical way of making sound is pushing air in special way... have they used the same classical way in more innovative ways? Passing that air through some special ways/routes/angles/directions etc? Or is it totally different innovative way to generate sound? Curious!
-
I have asked twice and you have ignored the question both times. Let your buddies ears be the judge! You are in my time zone. Bring your buddies, bring your speakers, and bring your butt. Time for you to prove to me and your friends that you are not 100% full of fecal matter! Put up or shut-up?? I challenge your speakers, come get ya some!!
Roger
:-) Cool down. I am quiet and not shouting.! I am not in competition... What have you assumed?
-
Your analogies are poor and lacking, as was your response. Bose like
OK! Be happy. You are entitled to your views!
on that one as the Klipschorn is not available at best buy.
Why small speakers (Cubes) from Bose sound as same as much bigger ones from their competitiors. I wanted to know. I am searching. 
]
]
Klipsch vs Bose?
in Home Theater
Posted
Bout of Inferiority complex again? You need help!
Anyway, deal with your problem yourself... [
]