Ramsha

I have just responded to same conclusion by Dr. Who! Please check. You would know what I meant by bringing these analogies.

Dr., May be my mentioning of Analogy and leaving it there has created some confusion. I am not saying that in all those cases Law of Science - to be precise Phsyics have been bent. NO... What I have stated is that People thought that 'they have reahed Physical Limits' in improving performance and can't go further! Everytime they said it, they were proven wrong. Same is happening in 'Audio' field too. Example: "We can't pack more Transistors in Processors! Its Physical limit" said some Research papers in Electronics field in 1970-80s! Where are we now. It was not Physics that was bent to break the barrier, but smarter thinking and Technology!

:-) Leave that to me! I will take care of that part.!

:-) Good juggling of alphabets! Appreciate your effort!

OK I concede! You are in control of yourself! I had good thing to say about Klipsch too. I have still! My reason to be here was to learn more about Klipsch and comparison with Bose- real one - not the one which I am observing here - kiddos are posting pics/cartoons to hide their embarassement. Let's keep in mind, there are definitely virtues of Bose and offcourse of Klipsch as well. What I learnt is there is only one thing separate Klipsch fan with Bose is 'brand loyalty' and not quest for better sound. And I am OK with that, not against Brand Loyalty!

Dr., Unfortunately the history is against you. a) In Jurrasic Years in computing business, a big hall was needed to house 'Computer' with hundreds of Copper Tubes. Someone said "Its impossible to reduce size and increase performance"!! In 2009 - Even Palm tops are monstrously powerful in performance than those monstrously sized 'computers of Jurrasic years'! Should I try to point out the similar history of data storing devices? Today's Zip drives v/s yesterday's so called "Hard Drives"? :-) In the related field of Videography: Do you remember a cameraman need to lift tons of load on his shoulder to make videos? And again same argument was forwarded with same embarassing result. Today's Video Camera are simply hidden between palms and can produce breathtaking videos! Same goes for Still Camera division! c) Automobile Engines: Today's engines are smaller in size and lighter in weight compared to earlier years and obviously more powerful. The seating compartnemt have become bigger and bigger, while engine house actually has reduced in size! Hence automobiles have improved their performances on Fuel Consumption, maintanability and overall cost of owenership! -- In all these above case the "Law of Physics" was initially thought as 'barrier'! Later Engineering and better Technology break this imaginery barrier. I rest my case. What's your unit of of measurement ? We may be talking 2 different things if I try to explain! May be same unit is not fit to test Bose and non-Bose product due to sheer difference in concept used to produce sound! Our tools must be fit to fix the problem, rather than need of conformity of the Problem to the size and shape of the Tools available! Dr., I leave it to yours choice! I would be OK with your selection!

:-) Dear psg, Loosing control? Keep cool. Go back to table and write something positive about Klipsch! I will welcome that. I am not defending Bose infront of Klipsch or any other brand. I simply write my analyis of Bose Bashing... Till this thread including yours, my interpretations are holding good! Capability of Bose Product is well established! No need to prove again. At the same time there are some other great products too. I have nothing against them! The nasty tones and comments to my response prove that there is definitely a 'inferority complex' among other brands which compel them to act in this fashion. I have never seen a Bose lover bashing Klipsch or better ones like Mirage, KEF, etc. in this fashion! That's called confidence!

Your Edit to bash me prove the merit in my original logic! I never said that 'My love/respect for Bose is due to the fact that audiophiles trash Bose everytime rather than speaking up for their 'beloved' brands'! Write something positive about Klipsch in comparison to Bose, man! Trashing Bose won't prove Klipsch better. With that it still remain a brand with 'inferiority complex' and try to get over it by trashing others!

:-) This stereo look like a milk factory! And milk is for kids! Can't be used for other 'performance'! []

Assumptions -- Great aesthetics mean poor sound quality! Is that the case that these audiophile want to build? The argument doesn't take-off.. Many brands including Klipsch tried to make front runner HTIB, and bite the dust infront of even Sony, keep aside Bose. Reason? Simply its not their forte! These companies excel in making big speakers. They seriously lack Product Building intellectual Capital. It require far stronger organizational capabilities to build a product that can be ranked among top in every aspect: Aesthetics, Performance, Quality, Brand recognition .....Package all these together and you get today's Bose. Borrowing a 10 year old chart from a dead site is the only 'fact' remain to prove 'frequency distortion' or 'frequency inadquacy' among audiphile. I have seen link to that site in many Bose Basher communities. The entire 'article' in that Intellectual page is build around the major categories I have listed in my first post here. Overall, what Bose has done over few decades is that it has created a significant space for discussions for good and natural quality of sound v/s compartmenlization of sound in "Highs, Lows, Bass" etc. I have nver seen any positive article/post/view from any of the Audiophile about any such "outperforming" systems without naming Bose once ! All I have read is "Bose sucks.." That doesn't qualify as a "Merit" of the other systems"! Looking forward for constructive analysis of other "outperforming" systems.

Depends on taste!! Nothing else!

Ramsha, You truely are completely uninformed of that wich you pretend to know. I don't care about marketing gimic, or cheap materials, what IS important is the sound!! Let's address letter "C") "No highs, no lows, they must be Bose" Where did this saying come from?? Well check your facts guy, because the Bose flagship speaker is the 901. If you check into it, you will find that the 901 is sold with it's own special equalizer that boosts the highs and boosts the lows, in order to try to achieve a flatter response, which it still does not accomplish well. Let's address letter "D" Over Priced?? Your anowlogy of compairing the prices of GM to BMW and Benz would suggest that the Bose are the BMW or the Benz and that the Klipsch are the GM. EDUCATE yourself!! Klipsh didn't start marketing cheap speakers for the masses until after it was bought out by Fred Klipsch. Klipsch started producing the longest continually produced speaker system in the 1940s and still does to this day. That longevity speaks volumes. That orriginal design, the Klipschorn sell new for arround $8000 a pair, compaired to the Bose 901 flagship at what, $1,400 to $1,600 brand new. Klipsch produces more cheaply priced speakers then Bose, products in the same price range, and products considerably more expensive. Price for Price comparison the Klipsch are vastly better sounding, and hold a better resale value (kinda like Mercedes Benz) then Bose speakers do. Have you priced a used set of Bose 901s?? They practicaly give them away! I live in Ohio, if that is in your driving range, I would beg you to bring your Bose speakers over and Come getya some of these worn out Klipsch of mine. I am sure there are others here in just about any location that would enjoy you bringing your Bose speakers over, and better yet, bring your friends as well...... Nothing like embarassing someone in front of their buddies!! So what ya think, you up to the listening comparison?? I'm your huckleberry!! Roger Roger, Bose lovers are 'ignorant'/'uninformed' is another argument basher used. I should have addressed that as well.. But... for later. Point "C", I am not talking of "Equalizers" that are provided with 901, I am talking of 'habit' of listening to accentuated bass and treble. So, if other brand inherently accentuate these frequencies and tittilate ears of massess then I am not in that "Community". Its about choice nothing else. Point "D" I never said that I am comparing GM to Klipsch! :-) I said other 'great' brands. Overall the fact that these so called "audiophiles" are spending so much of energy and time to bash Bose to 'feel' vindicated that they love Other brands, indicate the capability of Bose Products. I have nothing against any of these other brands. I heard then and didn't dislike them As I said I liked Mirage far better than Klipsch, Definitive and Polk! So the point still remains.

Honestly, I like Bose but don't dislike anyother brand! I have heard many Klipsch speakers over last 1 month. I liked them, but then, If I am forced to avoid Bose, then I would prefer Mirage. Klipsch, Definitive sounded very inferior in front of Mirage and Bose. Bose bashers target this brand through following arguments: a) Bose thrives only on Marketing Bose uses cheap material (Paper) for making spearkers c) Bose speakers doesn't give you highs and Lows d) Its over-priced Let's take it one by one. a) Marketing gimmick: Well.. if Bose can do great marketing too, why it can become or must be treated it as its 'weakness'? If other 'great' brands can't do even average marketing then it speaks volume about their capability to 'attract' good Marketing Talent! The so called audiophiles 'hired' by competitors to throw mud at Bose seem to be the only 'talent' these companies can acquire! Second, if a company can reach pinaccle in Brand recognitions and loyalty surveys charts only through Marketing, then General Motors would have been best brand too! :-) Please check this: http://bink.nu/Article6625.bink Cheap Material: That make me laugh even more! Wow.. if Bose has such a tremendous design and engineering prowess to make sound paper as good as speakers with "space age" materials from other makers, then again it speaks volumes about other companies and their 'Engineers' and Products! :-) Other 'giants' must close their shop in shame. However, I must say, there are some brands I mentioned above of which I am aware of, they are wonderful too! c) No High No Lows? If true, then there must NOT be any presence of highs and lows in the source sound. The sound has to be produced as such without 'tinkering' with it! That's the philosophy of good sound quality in my view. If one want and are habitual of hearing accentuated Bass, Treble etc., then I won't debate! However there is NO proof with facts that Bose speakers don't produce range of frequencies that are produced by other. In my view, it may be othreway round. d) Over Priced? Possibly. I am ready to concede. However, the other "Much Greater Brands" which can produce far greater sound and quality pact are priced at a level of Ghetto speakers sold at Wal-mart then it speaks confidence level of those "Greater Brands". Its like arguing BMW and Benz are 'overpriced' against price offered by GM! :-)