after a couple of discussions we agreed on 600 for all the towers, bookshelves, rw-8 sub and the stands for the bookshelves so the complete set up for that price but after looking on the net for awhile I was thinking of maybe getting the rf-52 center and towers new for roughly the same price so the delema begins if any body out there has run either of these two and can give some in sight i would apperciate it, i will still need to replace the rc-10 with either a rc-25 or a rc-52 cause like willand said it is kinda week..