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Yea I agree, it can't really affect the sound THAT much. That being said...I still went and took mine off just to see if it did haha. I couldn't hear a difference at all but I probably don't have the audiophiles ear for it. I did really like the look of them with grills off though so I'm keeping it that way for now.
Thanks, gotta love the Matrix.
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Lol ^^^ good point man. I totally didn't even look at the date of the last post my bad. Haha well I just may take a second listen with all my grills off. Looks like the general consensus is that it does affect the sound quality some.
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Hmmm so does anyone really have an exact answer to his question? I have RF-82s and wonder the same thing occasionally. You would think if it affected the sound that Klipsch would not build the grills/covers like that right? Anybody else think they sound better with them off? I just may try it and see. No kids to worry about...for now at least -__-
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Thanks again to everyone that offered suggestions and recommendations. I have this thread printed out and I'm ready to spend part of my weekend tweaking and testing things out. I'll let you all know what I do and how it works out. Wish me luck.
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BluBitRates: Thanks for your recommendation. I was honestly leaning towards that one as well but the craigslist ad still doesn't have any contact info unfortunately. I used the button to notify the lister that there isn't any contact info so perhaps he'll add it in the next few days.
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Jimafm: Thanks for your incredibly informative reply. Despite your odd stab at my time spent on movies (lol), I really appreciate you taking the time to suggest some things I should do with my system to help improve the sound as is. Perhaps, I will enjoy listening to music more once I grow older. I mean don't get me wrong I enjoy it now but not in the way some do where they can sit and do absolutely nothing else but listen to an entire CD. I can maybe do that for about 3 CDs that I can think of, lol. Anywho, I'll address a few of your points below.
All of my speaker wire is high (enough) quality 12 gauge speaker wire. None of it is the crap packaged with the Pioneer or from a local WorstBuy store.
I will definitely give the phasing test you described a shot when I get a chance.
I'm not sure the bi-amping of the towers can be screwed up much. I mean it's essentially just an extra cable going to each tower from the receiver and then going into the receiver's settings and telling it that the front are bi-amped. For example, on my Pioneer it has a setting where it asks about your speaker setup and one of the settings is 5.1 with Front Bi-amp. And when I run the automatic calibration tool (MCACC) it sounds correct when it runs through each speaker. Unless, like you mentioned, the Pioneer doesn't do a good job of bi-amping correctly.
I will definitely get a friend to help me test out the phase on my subwoofer and crossover point. This makes sense the way you described it and could definitely be contributing to the issue.
The speaker distances point was taken into account when I first setup my room and placed the speakers and other furniture. However, a couple things have changed here and there and things have been moved due to carpet cleaning so I will re-measure just to be positive that the distances and angles of the speakers are what they should be.
The sub's volume will be double checked but I believe it is at the correct level for what my ears like. Not too overbearing but not too weak either.
The sub is currently located in the corner of the same wall as the TV. Because of my room setup this is the only place it can be or the other corner of that same wall (that the TV is on). My only regret about that wall and the entertainment center I chose is that the sub is pretty close to the front left RF-82 tower for my liking.
As for the power - so you're saying that my concern over the amount and quality of power coming from the Pioneer is a non-issue? That's good to hear because that's exactly what started this thread - me wondering if it was good enough. So the RF-82s and RC-35 should be efficient enough to use the power currently provided in the best way to produce the best sound? Sweet!
Hmmm noted...I'll see if my dad has that as he is a huge Eagles fan.
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Looking back, I regret describing what I feel is missing by just saying I "expect a little more punch and boom from my system". That definitely does make it sound like I am only talking about the low end and the sub as someone mentioned. I also mean that clarity and sharpness in dialogue and music seems like it could be better/fuller. Does anybody think that me bi-amping the front towers may have made the center's sound (dialogue and vocals) less prominent? Just a thought, I dunno.
Cornfedksboy: I believe I have the speaker and sub placement correct, or very close as I really made sure I was doing it all properly in my initial setup. I'll take some pics of the room just to make sure though cuz maybe I'm missing something. You mention that my Pioneer should be giving plenty of power to my speakers but in your sig you have the Onkyo TX-NR708 which gives 110 wpc. Yet you also have 3 Marantz MA500 Monoblock amps right? Do you use those to power your front sound stage? Hopefully you don't take that the wrong way I'm just trying to understand since we have somewhat similar speakers.
For music I usually change the receiver's setting to F.S. Surround or just Stereo. What do you think is the best setting for music? You mentioned 5 channel mode to involve the center so do you use something like Pro LogicII Music or Standard Surround? For movies I almost always use my D-Link Boxee Box (via HDMI) so the setting I choose is Pure Direct and then depending on the movie file (.mkv's) it will switch it to DTS, DD, etc.
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Second off - sorry if you get email updates and you get a dozen. The editing function kept on messing up in Chrome for me. I'll just use IE with this site from now on.
Jrod: Thanks for the link to that B&K amp. For 100 wpc to 5 channels for only $270 sounds like a pretty awesome deal. And I don't know first hand that the 100w from this amp is way better than the 110w from my Pioneer but I do trust the people like you that swear by quality amps which is basically why this thread was even started.
I've narrowed it down to the amps below. For my specific setup and needs which do you all think is the best deal considering the price as well (so not just which one is the absolute best amp)?
Adcom GFA-6000: $225 (Per Bluehusky's recommendation and the great price)
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/ele/2513108431.html
Emotiva UPA-5: $400 (Because of the great reviews I've read on it and if/when I upgrade my center & rears this would leave room for growth. However, $400 is the max I am willing to spend. Unfortunately, the craigslist ad has no contact email or phone number listed! Hate when people do that...)
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ele/2554155272.html
B&K Components AV-5000: $269 (Because of the great price and 100 wpc x 5)
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1318713029&/B-K-Components-AV-5000-5-channel
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First off - Thanks to everyone for your responses! I've also found the information on this forum extremely valuable over the past year or so.
MikeFord: Why is that? I mean I get wanting to keep your home theater simple trust me, I definitely don't have the space or money to make it as elaborate as some. Well at least not until further down the road when I have a different house with a dedicated HT room... ;-). The speakers are positioned in the room correctly according to a HT diagram I used when first setting it up. The rears are the only thing I kind of had to make a compromise on by placing them sort of high and just slightly behind the listeners and pointed downward at about 60 degrees or so (because of the layout of the room). I have not played with the placement of the sub though so I will definitely try that. Because of my room layout it has to be either where it is now or the other corner of the same wall.
I haven't used any DVDs for audio calibration except the few steps that were on some of the video calibration DVDs I used.
I have my subwoofer hooked up to my receiver via the Line In R/L ports on the sub to a Y splitter which goes to the Subwoofer port on my receiver. All of he speakers are connected with 12 gauge wire. I've attached pics but I'm sure you know what I mean. If you mean the settings in the receiver itself I believe all of the speakers are set to "small" so that the sub gets all of the low end. I haven't checked this in awhile though since I played around with that setting a few months back. If you meant something else let me know and I'll be happy to check out any specific settings. Also, I used the MCACC automatic setup with the mic and stuff to calibrate. I did not do manual setup or tweaking.
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I am fairly new to the whole world of home theater audio as I've only had the system in my signature for almost a year now. I understand the basic pros of having an amp but I guess I'm just not sure how much power I need exactly. I definitely use my system for HT primarily and only some music here and there (probably like 80/20).
I currently power all of my speakers, except the self powered sub, using the Pioneer VSX-1020K receiver. It is rated at 110 watts per channel at 8 ohms. I currently have the front RF-82 towers bi-amped to utilize the unused rear surround channels since I am only running 5.1. I would say I listen to my system at a medium volume most of the time (master volume on the Pioneer at -28 to -34). However, if I'm pretty psyched about a new movie or CD then I crank it up (master volume at about -15 to -22). While I don't hear clipping or any distortion I guess I just expect a little more punch and boom (sorry to use layman's terms) from my system. It sounds good for sure but it just leaves me wondering if I should be using an amp like some of you HT enthusiasts and really be blown away.
Finally to my question haha. Sorry I just wanted to give all the background info I could so that you didn't have to ask a million questions and wait on my response, etc. I'm an avid craigslister and buyer of used equipment to avoid ridiculously high retail prices. So based on your advice, I plan to purchase one of the amps listed below and I was hoping you could offer me some insight as for which one would be the best for me. I really only plan on using the amp to power the front 3 speakers but only because I don't think the rear Polks need it. Any opinion on that would be great as well.
Adcom GFA-6000: $225
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/ele/2513108431.html
Adcom GFA-5500: $300
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ele/2562714442.html
CARVER PM-1200: $395
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/msg/2560472184.html
Emotiva UPA-5: $400
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I appreciate your input. Hmm, did it automatically label it as that or did you change it then? I could easily change mine to large too and see if I like it better. By surround speakers do you mean the rears? If so, they shouldn't be passed too many low end sounds right?
Also, referring back to my 2nd question I have noticed that the subwoofer only seems to be noticeable when surround sound content is being played (Blu rays from PS3, streaming DTS or DD5.1 HD video from server, etc.). When I play music via the same source that streams the video content the sub doesn't seem to be doing much. After reading some things it seems this might be because of my hookup directly to the Left (white) stereo audio port in the back of the sub. Anybody have info on that claim?
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Sweet! I ended up getting the RC-35 locally for $225 on Saturday. I also got a subwoofer (the RW-12D) locally for $230. Yesterday I finally got a chance to hook them both up and run the auto MCACC (calibrator software) on my Pioneer VSX-1020K. I know these kind of EQ programs aren't perfect but I don't have any other equipment (or friends who do) to do such things. I have a couple questions and I can make new topics if needed but they are probably easily answered. 1. Is the center speaker supposed to be marked as "small" for speaker type in the receiver settings? The MCACC ran and marked the RF82s as "large" and even my rears but the center is marked as "small". I don't really mind as long as this is correct. Any info would be helpful. 2. To hookup the RW-12D, can I just connect the subwoofer cable from the subwoofer port on my receiver to the Left stereo port (white) on the back of the RW-12D? I have searched on this and even read one topic on these forums regarding it and someone said you can connect it to either one while someone else no you should get a Y splitter and plug it into both.
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No worries, I appreciate the extra opinion. And honestly, I was thinking the same thing as I'm certainly no audiophile. I emailed the guy selling the RC-62 and offered him $225 (plus me paying for shipping). If he goes for it then I'll get the RC-62 but if not I'll prolly just go with the RC-35 locally for $200-225. We'll see what happens. I've been searching ebay and craigslist for about 2 months now waiting for one of these to pop up at a decent price. I didn't even know about the A-gon site so thanks for showing me that guys.
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Thanks for your input guys. I will definitely email that seller and see if he'll take $250 or so. I just hope shipping doesn't cost an arm and a leg since it's like 31 pounds. Thanks again.
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Wow, thanks for the super quick response man. I really appreciate it. Yea I've been reading these forums for quite some time but finally have something to contribute since I got my RF 82s recently. I also just bought the RW-12D for $230 locally so I'm pretty stoked. Now once I lock down a nice center I'll be satisfied for quite some time hopefully. I don't have matching Klipsch rear surrounds but I'm ok with that since they are still decent speakers (Polk RTi A3's). In your opinion do you think I should go with the RC-35 locally for $225 (and he'll let me hear it and test it out first) or buy the RC-62 for $300 from the link you posted?
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Does anybody know a good place I can buy a Klipsch RC-62? Used preferably because my budget for it is $300 at the most. I've looked on ebay and have been keeping my eye on my local Craigslist ads (Phoenix) for about two months now. One popped up and the guy only wanted $200 for it but it was sold in less than 24 hours. He is selling a Klipsch RW12-D though for only $300 so I'm thinking about that. But my first priority is the center channel.
Sorry to be longwinded but I'm just trying to find an RC-62 to go with my RF-82s. There is a guy I know selling an RC-35 for $225 but if I can get an RC-62 for $300 or less I'd rather do that. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.
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Oh mah gawd...drooling all over myself lol. This setup looks absolutely amazing. Especially the Marantz equipment like someone said. Consider my mind officially blown...