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I would agree with what scrappy said. If music is your main choice then getting a second pair of the exact same speaker is going to be optimal. I would love to have a 7.1 surround system with all of the same speaker. When I listen to all channel stereo in my setup, the different kinds of speakers just kinda sound 'off' so I usually turn it back to stereo. Multichannel music sounds great out of the RS-62IIs tho.
Hello,
Thank you for the advise.
When you factor in the price difference in the two options do you think there would be enough benefit to justify the added expense and size of the speakers when used 65:35 (music:movies)?
Thank you,
Terry
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Go for some surround speakers like the RF 42 or 52's. The RF 82's are great surround back speakers in a 7.x setup.
Hello Jerrickdj1,
Thanks for the response. Could you explain why they are only viable in a 7.x setup? What are your thoughts on Scrappydue's response regarding multichannel music?
Thanks,
Terry
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If you are watching mostly movies the rs-52's would be my choice for you. If you are a multichannel music guy then a direct radiating speaker is better for that. But I would say your money would be best spend on a pair of rs-42's or 52's. I had the 82's with the 52 center and 42's for rears for my first setup and they kept up just fine. So if you felt like saving a few bucks you could do that. Also make sure you buy em from somewhere that will give you a good price on them. Acoustic sound design or sound distributors or something.
Hello
Good to see you again Scrappydue.
I do like to watch a lot of movies but i would say my main focus is music. Currently i only listen to music in stereo, but that is probably because my rear speakers don't ,or cant keep up with everything else. In all honesty i have never really listened to a good multichannel music setup so i am unsure if it would be something i would deem worthy of the extra cost. I would imagine it would be a very powerful full sound in all regards.
How would rear speakers compare to surround speakers in functionality?
As always Scrappydue,
Thank you.
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Hello,
I am getting ready to replace my quintet satellites currently running as my rear set to better compliment the rest of my system i build earlier this year with much help from this forum. I am trying to decide if i want to invest more for 2 more RF-82's (first gen) and run 4 in total or upgrade the quintets to the rs-52 surrounds? Any thoughts on the matter? Would the speakers be used enough to warrant such a substantial upgrade? (as in the RF-82)
Another question i have is, are surround speakers better in a 5.1 system than rear speakers? I ask because, from what ive read surround speakers need to be (ideally) placed to the left and right of where your at.
Current setup:
- Receiver: Denon AVR- 1911
- Fronts: RF-82 (first gen)
- Center: RC-52 II
- Sub: HSU VTF-15H
- Rear: Quintets
Thank you much,
Terry
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Heyo,
yeah i went with the rc-52, or more accurately the rc-52 II since it seemed difficult to find the first generation.
I was able to pick up the sub since HSU is local in southern california. I was stoked since it was 140 in shipping. I ordered the center from Amazon and it shipped from Vegas, lucky me.
Terry
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Hello all,
as promised, a picture of the new speakers
I plan to move the sub in the near future to get better sound distribution, but this way all the glorious speakers are seen.
I love the new speakers, they sound soo nice. The sub has the power to fill the room wile not overpowering everything.
Next on the list might be some new back speakers. Wish me luck.
BTW is there an easier way than writing html to get a picture in here?
Thank, you all again,
Terry
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So i ended up getting the HSU RESEARCH VTF-15H, i just placed the order
I wanted to go down to Vegas to get that SVS PC13, but i just didn't have the time to dedicate 10 + hours to driving.I was going back and forth between the Epik Empire and the VTF-15H, since they were so similar, the aesthetics sold me on the VTF-15H.
I also ordered a RC-52 center. I wanted to get the RC-62, but the place where it goes is only 7" tall, and i had to compromise with my lady who doesn't want to see any more speakers. I tried saying i would wall mount the tv and just put it on the cabinet where the tv currently rests, or i could mount the center above the tv, but both ploys failed. When i get everything in and setup, i will get a picture of all the magical goodness along with a few words (hopefully ecstatic words).
I want to thank you all in the community, you were all amazing and very helpful. I know so much more about subs then i ever thought i would without picking up at least one book.
Thank you again,
Terry -
I would call on the pc-13 ultra in a heartbeat. I almost was gonna drive up and get that thing about a month ago. But he told me he had a buyer. Guess he flaked out. You should snag that one up. No research needs to be done. It is a phoenominal sub!
Heyo,
I just messaged the guy in Vegas about the SVS PC13. I like how its a cylinder - takes up less room. I will let you know how it goes
Thanks,
Terry
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well you have better deals than we do here, I had a few minutes tonight so I did some quick scans on searchtempest.com
Paradigm dsp-3400 v2 good quality sub for $500 should work great in your setup
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/ele/3240651555.html
SVS PB2 PLUS (2 12's downfiring) $600 great sub I had the newer version at one point
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/ele/3249991905.html
SVS PC13 ULTRA $850 Should preform great right behind the pb13 ultra version svs's top tier sub, I'd probably take this sub over the other svs since output should be pretty close
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ele/3218959531.html
Rythmik F15 sealed sub $775 not much of a discount, but should be a good preformer none the less
Hey,
Wow, thank you so much. I never even knew about searchtempest. Found my new classified search engine. I have been just going through craigslist directly.
Thank you,
Terry
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He says he has original packaging so I am guessing he is willing to ship. And he also doesn't have gear very long. So I am guessing they are close to new. Worth a shot to save a bit used on a sub you like. Your welcome to come down to my house to hear and feel 20hz tO see f it's what you want to spend 1000$ on. In fact I encourage it. Let me know if you'd like to come down on a weekend. I don't do to much as I am saving money to move in november.
Hello,
I am just worried about the shipping. From florida, a large sub im sure would cost a bundle. i wish he lived in socal
i might have to take you up on your offer one of these weekends i have free.
Thanks,
Terry
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Well now you know a lot more about subs than you ever wanted, lol. If you want to feel things getting down around 20 Hz is needed. Where are you located? Forum members will help you find a great deal near you. The 15 in Empire is 120 lbs. The SW 115 is reasonable at 69 lbs. Both will give you what your are looking for. The Epik Legend is 80 lbs and goes down to 16 Hz, but it is best around 20 Hz and does not cost as much as some of the other subs. Good luck with getting what you want.
P.S. down firing or front firing should not make a difference. And, I would not worry about seal vs ported since there are good subs in all these variations.
Hello,
I live in Long Beach, CA. I am leaning towards something like the Epic Empire or the HSU Research VTF-15H (have to read more on it). I want to invest now and have an amazing system that i can enjoy for years to come.
Thank you for all your help,
Terry
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I want to feel it while in an earthquake
. but i see what you are saying, i do currently live in an apartment. But i live over the garages and the walls are surprisingly well insulated. But i do always keep in mind the possible bother i might be to my neighbors. That is currently why i am getting frustrated with my current setup. Because i question if its on, then i go outside and its rumbling a bit to much. I also want to get a sub that will still satisfy a larger room.The sw-350 is a downward firing sub, could that have something to do with the way its disturbing vibrations while not offering that fulfilling bass i am looking for?
Appreciate the directed response,
terry
The sw350 is an 8" sub and is rated to 31hz, this is why your not getting the earthquake vibrations, the klipsch rw12d is usually around 300 as well, id take that first for the 300 dollar mark but its still going to miss out on the real deep bass but hits a budget softly
Now the epik empires and other subs 800-1000 really are in a different league than klipsch subs with exception to usually klipschs high end subs, price/prefoermance still favors the id subs however the sw115 is the only one I would give consideration to if sticking to klipsch is a must.
If you like used gear plenty of people will help you locate something nearby given your location, otherwise only your budget dictates the end result, theres a velodyne hgs-15 in florida for 350 that would be unbeatable for the price if you live down there
Heyo,
I seem to keep living in the wrong place
. I do fancy used equipment just because of the great deals you can find on things. I also really like Klipsch simply for their product to hold value. I suppose i should have did a bit more research on subs before i got a little to carried away. That way i might already have an awesome sub, oh well, lesson learned
Thanks,
Terry
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http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/167014/1799095.aspx#1799095
this guy sells a lot of stuff. I'm sure he is a pleasure to work with. could be just what you are looking for. hey maybe you could even snag both and have enough bass for your neighbors! lol
Heyo,
i took a look and he is located in Wisconsin. Dont think i am willing to commit to that much of a road trip
Thank you for the thought though. Terry
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Bigger speakers offer fuller output and output levels. Some satellites say they might go down to 80hz but that 80hz will not match your rf-82's at 80 hz even I'd you set the cutoff right at 80. Don't think your not using them to their potential. If anything you are making it a bit easier for your speaker and receiver and makin your sub do its job a little more. Where about southern California do you live?
well I wrote a comment about satelites vs rf82's but I realized that the OP probably didnt care so I edited it. Unfortunately the biggest bang for your buck is going to be DIY... then IMO it was Elemental designs (now closed down).... perhaps you can find a used ported sub from them? Next I would say the Empire but as sated shipping is $135ish. I would say that stretching from $800 to $935 would be worth it in that case. If you wanted to go cheaper there is a sunfire for sale on here for $825 shipped. I have never heard it but Im sure someone can give you the goods on it. From what I hread it handle music very well.
Hello,
I normally dont mind DIY projects, but when it comes to something like precision speakers - i try not to invoke the deed.
So far i have tracked all of the recommendations for subs and the Epic Empire is winning hands down. I was thinking of finding maybe a used one. I also came across a link to a sub shootout by a couple of guys, Link, the HSU Research VTF-15H caught my eye, any thoughts?
Thank you,
Terry
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The SW 350 is a decent sub for it size and price point. All the subs that forum members mention will have a decent spl. Some differ in the low sub-sonic range. I like to think of eartquakes. do you want to feel it or do you want to be in it. The low frequency extension will determine how much you want to feel the sub. My setup is in the family room so I don't need things vibrating off walls but, if I had a dedicate room for HT, that would be ok. If you live in an apartment those sub- sonic wave carry for great distances and will disturb other people. I have an Epik Legend paired with my RF 7's and get a good reponse down to 20 Hz. This a compact sub that is versitle for ht and music. The Epik Empire will put you in the earthquake, lol. A good 12 or 15 in should serve you well.
I want to feel it while in an earthquake
. but i see what you are saying, i do currently live in an apartment. But i live over the garages and the walls are surprisingly well insulated. But i do always keep in mind the possible bother i might be to my neighbors. That is currently why i am getting frustrated with my current setup. Because i question if its on, then i go outside and its rumbling a bit to much. I also want to get a sub that will still satisfy a larger room.The sw-350 is a downward firing sub, could that have something to do with the way its disturbing vibrations while not offering that fulfilling bass i am looking for?
Appreciate the directed response,
terry
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Well of you feel like coming down to San Diego on a road trip I have the svs's a velodyne optimum series and a new bic pl-200 that came with my rf-42ii ht amd it sounds pretty good for the 190$ I think I payed for it. It ain't no ultra, or empire but I'm gonna buy a second to have matching duals in my living room setup as well. Welcome anytime till about beginning of November. After that it's all getting packed up amd moved to a more permanent home.Bigger speakers offer fuller output and output levels. Some satellites say they might go down to 80hz but that 80hz will not match your rf-82's at 80 hz even I'd you set the cutoff right at 80. Don't think your not using them to their potential. If anything you are making it a bit easier for your speaker and receiver and makin your sub do its job a little more. Where about southern California do you live?
Is it just the quanity of the air that make the same 80 hz from the rf-82's better?
I live in Long Beach, ca - for now
not sure in a few years.Thank you for all your replies. I really appreciate your help as well as everyone else who helped from the community.
Hello,
thanks for such a crazy fast reply. As i am still new to the scene; i don't know much more about those subs than what i found doing a quick Google search. I am assuming they are both going to be a significant upgrade to my sw350? Also, are you planning to sell the Velodyne Optimum and keep the BIC PL-200 to run dual?
I just ask because i would hate to buy a new sub and run into similar problems i am facing now.
Thank you much,
let me know, i might have to schedule a bit of a road trip.
Terry
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The Epik Empire is a great sub. Keep in mind to your door
its $935 total not 800. SVS PB12-NSD is
$769 to your door. Looking at the two subs specs I would save the money and get
the empire. It weighs twice as much as the lower end svs and the klipsch sw-115.
hello,
Thank you, i am always curious if a subtle increase in cost pays off greater when compared to the performance gains. I would hate to get a sub that would rock, but not rock hard enough and only save a few hundred dollars.
Thanks,
Terry
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Question, will one of the other sub mention have better performance? A lot of them will considering two things, peak spl/dynamic range and low frequency extension. IMO, a sub need the peak spl to give the impact to explosions for an HT. Some 8-12 in subs fart, for lack of a better term with explosions. The low frequency extension gives a feeling of depth to movies with a visceral component all within the autoclabration settings. How much of that you need depends on wether you live in a home, apartment, have a dedicated HT with sound proofing. Proper setup is required no matter what sub you end up with. When you look for a sub, the amp spec's are less important because the sub design will have a big impact on what type of power is needed for a good performance. Also smaller subs have a sharper roll off above 80-100 Hz and may be more difficult to integrate with the main speakers. Sub that are level up 200-300 Hz can be more musical due to there mid bass performance.
lol, i don't find myself to be illiterate, but i had to look up some words. I greatly appreciate the technical response
I feel that my sub (then again, i still need to adjust its placement) lack the low frequency extension and the peak to some degree.
How do i find out what a subs peak spl/dynamic range and low frequency extension is? Arent those dynamic terms that vary depending on the placement and shape of the space its in, or is there some kind of normalized figure that is used as a reference?
Thanks,
Terry
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I got my SW-115 for $600 and I would not hesitate to recommend it. I really need to hear some other subs so I have a comparison, but I think it's a great sounding sub.
Appreciate the first hand validation,
Thank you much.
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Super easy question.... do not wire speakers off your sub. Just use an RCA cable from the sub preout on the AVR to the LFE input on the sub. Some people say to set your front mains to an 80hz crossover point but I prefer 50hz in my space. dual wiring doesnt help in normal situations so don't bother.
Sub recomendations: Price point? Less than $800 I am assuming... How big can the actual cabionet size be? any restraints with that? What do you plan on using it for mostly? HT? music?
So until you answer those questions I will reccomend you check these subs out. I will only reccomend subs I have personal experience with however so there are more out there.
1. A5-350 is a killer sub but you will need to find it used as ED has closed down for now.
2. Epik empire.
3. THT
4. Paradigm dsp 3100 and 3200. The 3400 is bigger but to me it was a little muddy compared to the 3100 and 3200. Paradigm is a little pricey but these are no longer made and can be had used at a decent price. The dsp really alows you to push these hard with very little distortion.
Heyo, thanks for the reply. My price point is below 800 (a figure that is held loosely depending on the performance gains), but the lower the better while still fullfilling my needs plus a little for when my living room grows. It will be used for a healthy portion of both, music and HT with greater emphasis on music.
Constraints: I am mostly interested in performance. If they are big, their big: if small, their small. I would prefer them to match the rest though (the black version of klipsch's line).
Thanks,
Terry
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Bigger speakers offer fuller output and output levels. Some satellites say they might go down to 80hz but that 80hz will not match your rf-82's at 80 hz even I'd you set the cutoff right at 80. Don't think your not using them to their potential. If anything you are making it a bit easier for your speaker and receiver and makin your sub do its job a little more. Where about southern California do you live?
Is it just the quanity of the air that make the same 80 hz from the rf-82's better?
I live in Long Beach, ca - for now
not sure in a few years.Thank you for all your replies. I really appreciate your help as well as everyone else who helped from the community.
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Good bass is the hardest thing to accomplish in a HT setup. RF 82's are full range speakers. When you run them as large there can be sound cancellation issues and also double bass where the sub and main speakers meet at let's say 80 xo. This can make the bass boomy. There are also more standing wave problems when speaker are set to Large. Sub plus main, or main plus LFE get back into the problems I just mention. Also don't use the auto feature, just leave the sub on all the time. The location of the sub in the room is a key factor for getting good bass. Move the sub to several locations and see where it sounds best. A sub in a corner will get you and extra 3 db in volume but, may make the bass boomy. You cannot move your main speakers around like you can the sub. If you have a spl meter check to see if the spl is at 75. Then leave it and if you need more or less bass, adjust it thur the avr. When people use more than one sub, they are evening out the bass respone in the room. Not so much as for more volume. Also never turn the sub greater than 65% of the max volume to avoid over pushing the sub amp.Think of the sub as a presence speaker, you should not directly hear it but, you know it is there do to the bass output and response with movies and music.
Hello,
Sorry for such a late response, I was out with the family all day and my lady gets mad at me if i dont focus on "family time." That being said, thank you for such an informative response. That makes a lot of sense. I guess i will have to mess around with the position of my sub since by itself the audio seem empty and lacking a full sound. I did hear the resonance you were taking about; on some songs it sounds really good but others did have a booming effect..
by setting the speakers to small, i feel like im not using their full potential. I feel like ive hired a PhD to tutor my kid in algebra. Do full speakers offer benefits in this regard as compared to say cheaper and smaller quality satellites?
Thank you in advance,
Terry
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Not sure where you are located. But this one is in Indiana.
I live in Southern California. I thnk i will just look locally until i find one. I have been burned ordering things used from without seeing it first. I really appreciate you looking into it.
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Ah ok you have the older ones. So a center will be harder to find. So my reccomendation would be to use search tempest on search all of America for rc-62's every other day at least once until you find one. But I would upgrade center first as it will be harder to find.
is there really that much of a difference between rc-62 and rc-62 II?
Thank you for all the help and quick response times. I will start searching for them
Terry.
Go 4 RF-82's or Front RF-82 and surround speakers
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Heyo,
From what you wrote it seems that running 4 RF 82's would be great but its not really worth the the additional cost and size?
Thank you Much,
Terry