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    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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    This would be a good setup because this suggests that i could mount the bookshelve speakers to the wall behind me. 

     

     

    I thought you were talking about in that far upper left corner to the left of the window on top, that's why I mentioned the symmetry issue.  

     

    sorry, but i don't understand?

    I just mean that the last picture you posted would be a good way to mount bookshelve speakers behind the back of the listening positions in my room. Maybe i'm completly misunderstanding what you mean here, sorry :D

    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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    I use the RS62II's for surrounds and they are behind me and also quite close. Also around 12-16 inches above my ears. My experience is I prefer them over direct firing bookshelves. I had the RB51II's back there and prefer the RS62II's. My room isn't the greatest either but I make it work until I get a dedicated room. 

     

    Is there a wall directly to the right speaker on the wall? Or is there some space.

    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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    Posted · Edited by Nitemare

    That must be one heck of an entertainment center, that's a 15' long wall

     

    It is not 15'. There is a door in between ;) It is only 9', hehe.

     

    Your last setup that you posted would be the best (except the subwoofer being in front instead of next to the listening position)

     

    This would be a good setup because this suggests that i could mount the bookshelve speakers to the wall behind me. This would save a lot of space in the room. This would make my girlfriend happy too :D. She is pretty wary of this whole "surround stuff". I have to do a lot of talking ;)

    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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    More subjective opinions. :)

     

     

    http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/home-theater/surround-sound-speaker-set-up/

     

    "The SBL (surround back left) & SBR (surround back right) speakers should be the direct firing type"

     

     

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    My official subjective opinion is that they could work if given enough space, but for the angles in question, you're asking for trouble, and I can reproduce this in my room.  Your room is even the exact same dimensions as my room believe it or not, as well as the same layout, and you're talking about the same speakers.  If you want to ignore that, then knock yourself out, it will work, but in no way will be ideal, especially considering that you're already compromising by putting 5.1 side surrounds behind you.  If you already have them it would be one thing, but since you don't, there may be better choices.  

     

    Given the situation, I would consider some small towers or bookshelves on a stand and put beside you.  Even if it overlaps the window a bit, that would be better than putting these behind you.  Having four similar towers in the proper placement is an awesome setup and would be far superior to what you're talking about.  The room is offset a little now as well, personally I would see if you can make it symmetrical.  

     

    Better yet though, if you rearrange your room, most of these issues go away.  Change the room so that your seats face down in your diagram, basically rotate your room 90 degrees to the right.  You could probably get away with hanging surrounds on the sides behind the picture window at that point, otherwise you can use towers and go in front of the window a bit if need be.  Having that big window right at your first reflection point isn't ideal, but could be mostly tamed with some heavy drapes, unless you wanted to just plug the whole thing with insulation, but that's another conversation.  

     

    Sound-wise, this would be way better than placing side surrounds behind you.  If you don't want to do this, then consider a standalone tower or bookshelf that can sit in front of that window on top.  

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    Hey, thanks for the insight. This, unfortunately, is not possible because our TV wall we just purchased wouldn't fit with your layout. I only have the choice putting the Stands/cent in front at the long wall. Do you think mounting the bookshelve speakers left/right next to the window(via wall mount) behind the listening position would do the trick too? They could be angled to the listening position.

    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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     Yeah, but as you can see in the picture which i provided i cannot mount surround speakers to the side.

    Thats why i want to add the RS-62 to the back. And i am a bit unsure if it is not wasted money.

     

     

    Sorry, but you are right, it is wasted money. :)  If I had not put these same speakers in the same location with the same listening position, I wouldn't say anything.  It does some weird stuff.  You can put 5.1 surrounds behind you, it's not ideal but it works, but, these in particular just don't work well behind you if you are close to them at all, you need direct firing bookshelves or something.  

     

    What specifically happens is that on the seats off to the side, when something plays behind you, the one closest to you can't be heard well, but you are in the direct firing line of the tweeter on the other side, so it comes through strong.  Same thing if you go to the other side of the room, nothing is hardly ever seemingly behind you.  If you couple these with side surrounds of the same type, sometimes there is some weird cancellation going on.  I finally got rid of mine altogether in that position.  Eventually I will put some direct firing lower towers back there, but for now, there is nothing, it actually sounds better without them and only 5.1 sides.  I would not recommend these speakers in this position in your room layout due to nearly identical personal experience.  If you need to put any back there, get some direct firing ones.  They would work if you were further away, but your angles are pretty much the same thing I had going on and it's just not a good thing.  

     

     

    Uhm, ok? This would be like a 180° turn of events here :)

    This is bad... now i don't know what to do anymore :(

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    Posted · Edited by Nitemare

    I hope the English to German translations I've been posting are doing better

    No problem. You don't have to go the extra mile to translate it to german. I can understand your english just fine! No fancy words here, haha :))

     

    You guys really helped me out here. I am now more confident in buying the surround speakers. I hope the result will be good. Still two more months till i move though ;/. Now to find a good deal for the three speakers :)

     

    Would it be possible to mount one surround speaker to the sidewall and the other one on the back wall? Would this make a big difference?

    Do you think i should go for the RS62? Or is the RS42/52 enough? For the center i would pick the RC62 (MK1).

    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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    I totally understand. Ask all the questions you want, we are here to help

    Thanks!

    Well, my biggest concern was with the mounting at the wall and the one speaker being not directly mounted next to a side wall. But if you say that this shouldn't be a problem then i am reliefed.

    I currently own the RF-62 (MK1). Is it a big problem to add the RS-62 II to the setup? It seems on the german market you cannot find the corresponding MK1 surround speakers.

    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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    Posted · Edited by Nitemare

    What are your concerns with mounting surrounds behind you

     

    My concerns are that the sound gets all mushy. I am not a sound engineer to know how this all works and i am pretty limited how i can arrange the speakers.

    One of my big concerns is that the setup is not symmetrical (because the room isn't). One speaker would be placed different and thus have a different behavior while playing. That is what i imagine and due to my lack of knowledge and understanding (especially how the surround speakers would work in my given scenario) i am so unsure.

    On your picture the rears on the back wall are set symmetrical with a wall on each side. In my room this would not be the case. And i don't know how this would sound. This is the essence.

    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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    Posted · Edited by Nitemare

    I agree with Youthman on all points. First of all, your English is very good

     

    Thanks :) Very kind words here, wow.

     

     

     

    I agree with Youthman on placement of the side surround speakers being better on the sides if possible. They should be mounted slightly above ear level and slightly behind the Hörposition for best effect

     

    Yeah, i know this would be the best setup, but due to the layout of the room it is not possible. On one side there is a big window. Also the room is not square.

    That is why i am so unsure that adding the RS-62 to the back wall would work.

     

     

     

    It looks like that would give you a 4.0 speaker layout. I really think you would enjoy a centre speaker. It is the most important speaker in any setup. It plays 90% of the dialog, and dialog is 90% of both TV and movies

     

    Yes i want to add a center, too. I was too lazy adding the center to the picture.

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    Possible to mount Surround Speakers(RS62) to the backwall in this room?

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    Posted · Edited by Nitemare

    Hey Guys,
     
    hope someone can help me with the issue. I am moving to a new apartment and i am thinking to expand my current speaker system(currently 2.1) with 2 Surround Speakers (RS 62 preferred).
    Normally it is recommended to mount the surround speakers to the sidewall. But due to the room layout this is not possible because on one side there is a window and the room is not a square shape.
     
    The Room layout with the speakers drawn in (RS 1 and 2 in Position behind the listening position)

     

    Hörposition is "listening position" on the picture. And 4.57m is 14.99 feet and 6.01m is 19.7 feet. I am german, sorry ;)

    The blue things are windows, by the way.

     

    My questions:

    Is it a big problem to mount the Speakers behind the listener directly to the wall?

    Is there a problem when mounting them behind the listener if one speaker on the wall is not directly next to a wall like the Speaker(RS1) on the picture? As you can see the RS2 would be directly "in the room" with no sidewall next to it.

    Do you have different suggestions maybe?

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    Which components should i add next to my RF - 62

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    Hey Guys. I'm new here and i want to introduce myself. My Name is Sascha and i'm 26 yrs old and living in Germany and since last year a happy member of the "Klipsch Family" :)

    i'm trying to get to the full 5.1 Klipsch System (RF62, RC62, RS62+Sub) as soon as possible and i'm asking which component would be the next logical step.

    Currently i'm only in posession of the RF-62. They are connected to a Onkyo TX-SR508. The speakers are standing nearly 1.5 meters away from my listening position in a 10m2 "big" room.

    I'm using the system for nearly 50% music(bass heavy music) 30% movies and 20% games

    Should i upgrade to 2.1 first? Get a new Sub (had the RW-12D in mind). It would be oversized for the moment, but i'm planning to move to a bigger room in the future.

    Oh yeah: Is it normal that i have to rise the bass to +6db at my AV-R that the RF-62 are picking up the bass? When i put my AV-R to +0DB i nearly don't have any bass with low/room-loudness volume.

    Or maybe upgrade to 4.0 instead of the sub? Rears + Center?

    Or maybe even changing the receiver, because it's to weak for the Speakers?

    Hope you guys can help a poor guy from germany! :)

    I stated this post over @ 2 Channel Audio, but one user suggested to me to repost it here, because it's more a Home Theater matter:)

    Which components should i add next to RF-62

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    Hey Guys. I'm new here and i want to introduce myself. My Name is Sascha and i'm 26 yrs old and living in Germany and since last year a happy member of the "Klipsch Family" :)

    i'm trying to get to the full 5.1 Klipsch System (RF62, RC62, RS62+Sub) as soon as possible and i'm asking which component would be the next logical step.

    Currently i'm only in posession of the RF-62. They are connected to a Onkyo TX-SR508. The speakers are standing nearly 1.5 meters away from my listening position in a 10m2 "big" room.

    I'm using the system for nearly 50% music(bass heavy music) 30% movies and 20% games

    Should i upgrade to 2.1 first? Get a new Sub (had the RW-12D in mind). It would be oversized for the moment, but i'm planning to move to a bigger room in the future.

    Oh yeah: Is it normal that i have to rise the bass to +6db at my AV-R that the RF-62 are picking up the bass? When i put my AV-R to +0DB i nearly don't have any bass with low/room-loudness volume.

    Or maybe upgrade to 4.0 instead of the sub? Rears + Center?

    Or maybe even changing the receiver, because it's to weak for the Speakers?

    Hope you guys can help a poor guy from germany! :)

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