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While it's not a sin to forego it, all rooms/systems benefit from eq. If your expectations are not being met and you want to find out why, you need to dig deeper. You should expect powerful response down to 40 hz give or take from your four 10" woofs. They are exceptionally capable at frequencies above that. When it comes to bass, the room dominates your system's response. Have you assessed your situation with any sort of RTA gear to get a better grasp of what's going on? How large is the room, volume in cubic feet (including the volume of any contiguous open areas)? While it's not a sin to forego it, all rooms/systems benefit from eq. If your expectations are not being met and you want to find out why, you need to dig deeper. You should expect powerful response down to 40 hz give or take from your four 10" woofs. They are exceptionally capable at frequencies above that. When it comes to bass, the room dominates your system's response. Have you assessed your situation with any sort of RTA gear to get a better grasp of what's going on? How large is the room, volume in cubic feet (including the volume of any contiguous open areas)? T Your speakers are not going to pound unless your source does. I don't need/want the speaker's bass to pound, but they should provide a solid bass foundation even to hard bop.

So my take away from your posts and the others in the thread is that the RF7 II's have to have EQ in the bass region or tone controls in order to produce the bass that 4 ten inch woofers in big cabinets would usually be expected to do. Without EQ in the bass, unless you're playing modern recordings that have more low end, you won't get the low end expected of a sensitive speaker as big as these.

Thanks for the video. No, mine do not push like that, but then too I listen to hard bop jazz mostly recorded in the 50's with upright bass and bass drum being the primary bass point. These recordings, I know have much less bass power. However, bass foundation is still present in the majority of the recordings and that's what I like to hear.

The NAD M2 does not have "tilt" you're referring to the NAD M3 I think.

That's fine, thanks for the response. But you don't own the II's. Do you have first hand experience with them? The 7's you have are not the same. I already have subwoofers, and feel that these speakers in and of themselves should be sufficient based on the the size of the cabinets and the woofers. But with their design maybe they're just not a capable producer of solid bass even with 10's. I'm not asking for "tear down the walls" bass, just a solid bass foundation. My curiosity centers around the amp-speaker match which is all about synergy. Without a good amp-speaker match, I am fully aware that no one gets the best performance that any speaker has to offer. At their best, I wonder if more low end can be had, or if the 7II's are just not capable of it. Maybe there's an amp that can get better performance than the 2 integrateds I've used, but maybe not. Anyone heard the 7II's move air without the help of a subwoofer? My room is 8X18X8 family room with the speakers on one of ths short walls and no options for placement other than about 1.5 feet from the front wall and 5 feet apart. They can move a ton of air. Set up is everything and my experience has been similar until i eq the bass up. Those's big ports in back will push a lot of air when they are turned up. Build a smily face with the eq (bass high mid down a bit and highs at about zero) Don't have an EQ accept the bad EQ function in the HK990 and the ITunes EQ when the Macbook Pro is used as my source. I don't care for either of those EQ functions. A quality integrated with bass and treble tone controls would be very useful but most of them are quite expensive. (i.e. Luxman, Accuphase, McIntosh).

That's fine, thanks for the response. But you don't own the II's. Do you have first hand experience with them? The 7's you have are not the same. I already have subwoofers, and feel that these speakers in and of themselves should be sufficient based on the the size of the cabinets and the woofers. But with their design maybe they're just not a capable producer of solid bass even with 10's. I'm not asking for "tear down the walls" bass, just a solid bass foundation. My curiosity centers around the amp-speaker match which is all about synergy. Without a good amp-speaker match, I am fully aware that no one gets the best performance that any speaker has to offer. At their best, I wonder if more low end can be had, or if the 7II's are just not capable of it. Maybe there's an amp that can get better performance than the 2 integrateds I've used, but maybe not. Anyone heard the 7II's move air without the help of a subwoofer? My room is 8X18X8 family room with the speakers on one of ths short walls and no options for placement other than about 1.5 feet from the front wall and 5 feet apart.

I've used the RF7 II's with powerful amps but they just aren't hefty in the low end based on the size of the cabinets and 4 ten inch woofers. I had a Harman Kardon HK 990 connected after disconnecting a NAD M2 amp. Both of these are powerful. The HK doubles its power as the ohms decrease- 150 into 8 ohms, 300 into 4 ohms. Is it just that these huge cabinets and 10in woofers that are supposed to be sensitive speakers are designed to push all the amp power through those tractix horns with little power going to woofers? Which 2 channel amp (not a receiver) are you using that pushes solid bass with these? I remember reading in this forum where someone said his RF7 II's sounded like he was using a subwoofer with them and he wasn't. I'm not getting that kind of bass foundation from these.

How long is the break in on these speakers?

Doesn't appear that your sources are an issue at all. Is there any way to cut the distances in half from both front wall and side walls? Bill Bill, I can move closer to the front wall easily but one of my speaker cables won't reach to cut the distance for one os the side walls. But for bass reinforcement I know what you mean. Thanks

Bill thanks. Sources are Macbook Pro (no outboard hard drive at this time) FLAC files ripped from CD, sometimes use Macbook Pro as transport, Krell SACD Standard lll (balanced), and Jolida 100 as transport. The NAD M2 does the conversion of any source connected. The RF's are about 20" from the front wall and 27" from the side walls.

Thanks Derrick, i'm still experimenting with the NAD M2. This is my second set of speakers with it. I've thought about re-postioning the rf-7's a bit closer to the corners. I noticed the manual says connect speaker wire to the top 2 speaker post. I did not realize that was the recommended way and I have my connected to the bottom 2 speaker post. In the past I always connect to the bass drivers on other speakers. It seems Klipsch'a approach is the opposite. Can it make a difference? I guess I will just have to try it..

I have only listened to jazz with a little more modern fusion (Weather Report) mixed in. (mostly Miles, Trane,).

Thanks, the NAD M2 does not have a preamp. It is called a "direct digital amplifier." No this is not an avr. It's more like a power amp and a DAC.

These are my first Klipsch speakers! I'm surprised for their size they don't produce more deep and powerful bass weight. I'm using a high quality direct digital amp with them (NAD M2 from the Master series). Lots of power there... Anyone out there get those 10" woofers to pump with more weight and heft to match their size? Room is 11x 18 x 8 carpet over concrete slab, filled family room. I listen mostly to classic jazz from the 50's.