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Thank you all for ur informed advices, i havent heard any ID subs before, maybe something that i feel i am missing lies below 80hz cause the EQ-max 10 is not a very capable sub IMHO.

Yeah, compared to the dual EQ-max 10, the RC-64 ii wins according to my taste. But i dont know if i should upgrade my amp to XPR-5 to feed more power to the L/R/C and surs or use this money for upgrading to dual decent 15" subs and then turn up the crossover knob to 120hz to achieve the best result in the midbass range.

Yeah, i agree but with the sub handling up to 80hz or higher we can have the flexibility to adjust the output of midbass without affecting the midrange performance in the case of 2 ways speaker.

Thanks derrick, one more question, do you think it's worth upgrade from RF-82ii to RF-7 ii to pair with RC-64ii provided that i'm a 100% HT guy, no music whatsover?

Thank you all for your relies, as i am gonna upgrade my subs so to be more specific, dual decent 15" subs such as HSU VTF-15 or PSA Xs15se vs 2 ways speakers with woofer size from 8" below (in my case is RC-64 ii and RF-82 ii) for the competition from 80hz to 120hz, who is the favorite? My experience is that midbass is maybe not the strongest aspect of Klipsch speaker compared to other brand assuming the woofer size is the same (i have demoed A to B between RC-64 ii and B&W CM center 2 in my room using the same pow XPA-5, for midbass B&W won, for mid m not sure cause they were so different but i personally like klipsch better, for upper mid and treble klipsch won, of course i calibrated my system for the B&W CM center 2 before doing the test, all crossed at 80Hz).

If we exclude the disadvantage of localization (this becomes less noticable when using 2 or 4 subs), i wonder a subwoofer or a speaker will perform better in the range of 80hz to 120hz. Let's say the subwoofer and the speaker are in the same league, which means they can pair to each other. More specifically, Velodyne eq-max 10 vs Klipsch rf-82 and rc64 ii? Please, i look forward to your opinions in this matter because i read somewhere in the avsforum that very few speakers (even high-end) have the ability to reproduce midbass in the manner that a decent subwoofer does. Thank you all in advance.

My room is about 16.5 feet wide and 23 feet long, heavily treated with broadband absorber (6" thick, 100kg/m3 roxul) and membrane absorbers (8" deep sealed box, 2" glasswool inside with plywood from 4mm to 8mm thick for membrane). All the RF-82ii, RC-64ii and 2 subs are 5 feet from the front wall with the RC-64ii in the middle. Each of the RF-82ii is 4 feet from the side wall. each of 2 Vel 10'' subs is about 6 feet from the side wall right next to the RF-82ii. If the xo is higher than 80hz, i may have to deal with the localization of the sub. Cant hurt to try. I would also try moving the 64 up a few inches (with a few books or something). Any small change can sometimes help. You might have a null where the 64ii is and its might be killing your low end. This just seems off to me. My reason is I ran the 64ii with the 82s for a bit. And it was not hard to hear that the 64ii was the best speakers in the room. They sounded great together but just saying. Then when I got the 7s the 64ii kept up with them very well. The rf7ii is a better speaker but they mate pretty nice. So it seems strange that the 64ii is not performing to the level of a rf82. And if eq doesn't help. It seems even more like a bass null. I know what you two mean, but i think this has nothing to do with null or peak or the room acoustic response since i had to deal with them before. About 1 year ago my HT sys is 5.1 consisting of 1 RC-62ii, a pair of RB-61ii for mains, a pair of Bose 301 for surs and one sub Vel eq-max 10", only one (XO is set at 80hz). Although my room at that time was also heavily acousticly treated just the same as right now, the bass response, more specifically the low end below 80z, is quite bad (but of course 10 times better than having no bass traps). I did do the crawl test for sub placement but the low end response is not good enough and fluctuate across the room especially in the center of the room and areas near the wall. After that i brought home the second Vel sub, the same one, hooked them up just like now, did a few phase settings and the problem disappeared, the low bass <80hz is just smooth, strong and evenly. My sofa (listening position) is about 9 feet from the rear wall. About the RC-64ii, it's more to me about the characteristic of the bass. I agree that it's a great center speaker and its overall performance beat the RF-82ii with ease especially the midhigh and treble. But the midbass, i dont know exactly what frequency range midbass is, let's just say in the range from 80hz and 160hz, for me subjectively the RF-82ii is the winner in term of quality, not the output. Maybe its just the problem of taste. i dont know, just wonder if anyone think the same as i do.

As mentioned above, its not practical in my case. After all, i'm happy with RC-64ii as i was once happy with RC-62ii. But i think Klipsch could ve made me even happier at the same price range of RC-64iiI agree. While I think the 64 is good, for retail I think it's extremely overpriced. The problem with the rc-7 is that the times are changing. And with that furniture is changing so I believe they are trying to make centers slimmer to fit inside cabinets and such. And for most people the 62 and 64 are deal breakers because of their size. Now for is who want good sound we sacrifice either have a less beautiful piece of furniture to hold out gear or we get that piece we want that fits a 64 but then pay 2500$ for it!Now let me ask you this? How handy are you at woodworking? You could buy a single 82ii and take the front apart and make a new baffle for it and just rearrange the woofers and tweeters. There is a member here named Gorm who done this as he felt the rc-7 didn't match the sound of the rc-7. So his center now is a custom rf-7 turned sideways with dual 10's and the larger horn from the rf-7 as the rc-7 is the same driver but the horn is physically smaller. You're right. Time changes thing changes. And about the woodworking, i'm kind of a lazy and clumsy guy, so i maybe dont take the risk of doing this. I think i should just be satisfied with what the RC-64 is offering and wait a few years for the next series of the current RF II line. Hopefully at that time, Klipsch will make a dual 8"s center.

My room is about 16.5 feet wide and 23 feet long, heavily treated with broadband absorber (6" thick, 100kg/m3 roxul) and membrane absorbers (8" deep sealed box, 2" glasswool inside with plywood from 4mm to 8mm thick for membrane). All the RF-82ii, RC-64ii and 2 subs are 5 feet from the front wall with the RC-64ii in the middle. Each of the RF-82ii is 4 feet from the side wall. each of 2 Vel 10'' subs is about 6 feet from the side wall right next to the RF-82ii. If the xo is higher than 80hz, i may have to deal with the localization of the sub.

As mentioned above, its not practical in my case. After all, i'm happy with RC-64ii as i was once happy with RC-62ii. But i think Klipsch could ve made me even happier at the same price range of RC-64ii

Two RB-81ii being placed horizontally with the 2 horn in the middle, 2 woofers at the 2 sides will be great. But the Klipsch horn doesnt look symmertrical to me. For me placing center speaker horizontally is a must because i'm using tv and right below it is center speakers, pre, amp respectively. "Fuller" sound is right, warmer and rounder bass but maybe not exactly more bass. I dont know how to describe it but its the bass of 8" klipsch woofers i'm looking for

I ve never taken an audition for RC-7 but i feel the same way as you do when looking at its design in klipsch site. Thats probably the best design for a HT 2-way center speaker, IMHO .

Absolutely, but its hard to find a new one and i dont favor 2nd speakers so much. I always want them in the brand new condition when buying and the unboxing process, it just feels great, i love it.

Yes, i can. However, in that situation the center of my led lg 60" will be about 5' from the ground level and my eyes will be approximately 3'4'' due to my low sofa. The point is that i'm not comfortable with raising my head up while watching movie and eating snack concurrently. Its unhealthy because when eating, you may naturally bow your head a little (just a very little) and i think most people feel the same. Eating and watching at the same time is always a great combo and i dont want to sacrifice it. Three identical towers is the best no doubt but that is most practical when you have a audio transparent screen with projector, IMHO. @ wvu80 : how much space do you have in the front? Does this have to be a Klipsch center? I don't know about timbre matching, but I know of a DIY kit with dual 8's that is horn driven, that might be able to keep up with the RF-82 II's. It's called the 88 special, and it was designed to be a center in a theater setup. As mentioned above, i dont have much space and of course, it has to be klipsch and always klipsch, i'm addicted to the horn sound. And about DIY speakers, i think its hard for them to be timbre matched to my RF system.

Thanks for advice, the Heritage series is one hell of a speaker, i ve never had a chance to listen to them but heard a lot of good reviews. But they are too heavy and bulky, and i doubt that they ll blend well in my RF system