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I have the opposite situation: I don't allow the ex-wife in my house.

Yesterday was all about precision and mock ups. I now have all pieces cut to size including all angles for the modify doghouse. I used a fresh blade on the table saw and taped all edges to be cut to save the veneer. I have to saw it worked out pretty good. As well, the doghouse mock up went together rather well. I will need a few more straps to ensure a razor sharp joint line.

HA! Sorry, there will be periods between updates. I did mention I live in 600 sqft. in Vancouver right?! I do not have a workshop at home... I do all my wood work a local co-op space, so I have limited access. It is a decent solution, but far from perfect...

Laminating two sheets together for the 1" side panels.

Plywood has been purchased. Saw dust has been made.

Mumps...?

510 horns on order.

No such thing as a Birch Belle or I would have bought one to go with my KCBR horns over 3 decades ago. Instead I got a LaScala. The Belle was made of the same Veneers as Khorns since it was primarily designed to be sold as a mono speaker between two Khorns, but people bought them in pairs since it was the "prettiest" of the Klispch line as well as the name of PWK's first wife who died from smoking (something PWK felt very guilty about, since he taught her to smoke, he quit and lived to be 98, and she didn't). I grabbed that photo from the Klipch museum page. Maybe it was a one-off...

Thanks! I'm really happy with my current amp set up: Leben CS600... not sure I am up for a complete over haul in that arena right now. Are you specifically against the ALK crossover, or just really for the electronic version? My objective with this build is to have a simple version of a heritage speaker with modern design drivers...

you have a photo of the XO?

I will be making a stereo pair.

Is it possible to get a hold of Roy through this forum?

Corner reflectors where the horn folds 90° (back to sides)? I would think they would be similar to the reflector on the rear panel where the driver is aimed...

Hello, I have been chatting with Klipsch a bit and they have quoted me a couple options... I could really use an experience opinion if it is out there... I am considering the K510 over the Belle horn. I believe I can cross these together at 450-500Hz (confirm?) I would like to buy ALK's AP12-500 (gentle slope 500Hz XO). Klipsch is offering the horn on its own or with the B&C driver (DE-75-8P). Is the B&C a good match for the Belle and XO point? The Faital HF140 is a less expensive option (is it better?). Thanks again. The build starts in a week!

Read up (if you haven't) on the K510..."the little horn that could" The 402 while worth the brags you hear about it....is a monster. The 510 sounds (to me) significiantly similar (especially the more on axis you are) and is smaller/cheaper. The 510 could fit inside the standard Belle top housing and you'd never know unless you looked or noticed the shadow of just one horn behind the grill instead of two. My .02 Good luck with the project!! Would the Faital Pro HF140 fit well with the K510? Also, what is the low cut off for the K510...?

Well, shop time starts next month. I've been doing a little drawing to get a sense of the build. Currently I am thinking one small modification to the original plans: I removed the 90° step-edge at the front of the doghouse where the angled panel meets the front most wood panel. I figure that a mitred edge in that location would look more 'finished' and a little more modern. Also, I plan on using 1" (maybe 1.25") material for the outer box. I would like add stiffness and avoid 'visible' braces. I think I will brace the inside of the dog house for stiffness. Currently I am leaning towards no grills on the horn openings. With the ability to do a high end white oak finish over all, I'd prefer to see the wood grain all the way back: the depth looks good. Adding a nice soft grill to the optional bass reflex riser maintains the 'look' I'm going for... With the riser, it kinda looks like a stock Belle on it's head...

Thanks for this. The B&C was the ALK suggestion. I would love to AB possible drivers, but I do not have that type of access. That's what this thread is for: figuring the best components based on other's experience. I will be building the system to be a kit-of-parts. That's the main reason why I probably won't build the upper enclosure. I want this to be a set-up I can easily move horns and drivers in and out of... I already have a decent 3-way system with Bob's tweeter. I plan on incorporating some way to swap top ends. This is a hobby after all, so moving stuff around is all part of the learning experience and its kinda fun... I dig the look of raw horns and XOs sitting on top of the folded sections...

That will be one georgeous speaker. Wish I had your skills. Just one question .... why did you decide on a 2-way design? Just curious since Belles were 3-way. I know a lot of folks seem to prefer 2-way. Thanks. Time alignment, dynamics and cohesion of sound is a big plus for me. I can take or leave the top and bottom octaves. It's all a trade off.

I've read a ton on the 510 and the 402. I am leaning towards a hybrid design that may not require building the upper housing. First things first is to build the bass horn. Knowing my history of change and experiment, it may serve me better to build a system that I can swap drivers and horns in and out of, rather than trying to cram the components into a set size. ...did I mention I live by myself and my hifi kinda dominates the apartment... big horns aren't a big deal. Ideally I can eventually build and veneer my own. Big sound: big style.

me too...

Yup, Vancouver living... I've been living with Cornscalas for a while so I'm used to big boxes. The Belles will actually be a little smaller... Currently running a small-ish pair of Tannoy 12" monitors. Love the cohesion but there is no dynamics compared to the larger horns. I don't really need nor can I accommodate bass below 40Hz in my space.

Hello, After a few weeks of research and a few suggestions from forum experts, I have started to plan out my summer speaker build project. My current plan is to build a Belle Klipsch bass section on a ported riser with a wide range driver on top. I settled on the Belle over the LaScala due to existing room conditions. I just can't fit the 24"x24" foot print on my long wall but the 18"x30" Belle fits nicely. I've read that performance between the two is nearly identical... I should mention I live in a 600 soft apartment in Vancouver: real-estate prices and physics prevent me from exploring true bass horns. The woofer will be the Cast Frame Crites model I currently own (to keep budget down). I'm thinking the box will be either birch or white oak with cane grills. The Bass horn will be separate from the upper driver so that I can update horns as I gain more experience with horn/driver combos. I love this photo: (anyone know what type of veneer/finish this is...?) The upper section is still a little up in the air. The crossover point will have to be above 400Hz. Based on calculations Claude did early, I should be able to just hit 500Hz with the cast woofer in the Belle horn. Currently I am considering the B&C DE85TN from ALK or the Faital HF200 from Bob for the upper driver. Both of these are in my current budge for this project. I am also considering the Eliptrac 400 horn, but I would be open to a DIY version that I could build and veneer to match. I have also been reading a ton about the K402 horn; I am not opposed to something that big if the performance is there... again, I'd love to build one to match finish and to show off a bit... I should also state that I am not very technical/experienced when it comes to matching horns/drivers/XOs. I am really going off the expertise and experience I have found on-line. Please chime in if you think I can hit a better performance mark based on my posts and a reasonable budget. In exchange I plan to post a ton of build photos and questions for others to follow or laugh at, whatever... I should be able to start building the dog house in the next couple weeks.

awesome. thanks.

I have not... I assumed since he has never published them he probably wouldn't share them. I was just checking to see if anyone made the measurements.

Hello, Does anyone have representative T7S data for Crites cast frame woofers... CW1526C Thanks