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    K Horn question

    in Garage Sale

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    Continuous 100wpc. max is 400 I think.

    Cool, thank you, was a little worried giving her the QSC, more power is one thing, the fact she is not afraid to use is it, is another

    Her Ks are in perfect shape, installed Full new Crites crossovers before setting them up last year.

     

     

    I'm not a tech guru - I'm sure most forum members can run rings around me - but don't forget the possible impact of 'over-driving' your amplifier.  Clipping distortion can easily destroy a set of tweeters.  Regards, Tim  

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    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

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    Hello everyone,

     

    I like listening to my Heresy loudspeakers off the floor and I'm considering buying some loudspeaker stands but I wonder if it is worth it.

     

    I'd like to hear from anyone who had their speakers on cinder blocks or furniture and now has them on stands.  Was there an improvement in the sound quality?  

     

    Do these speakers work best on low mass open frame type stands or high mass loaded stands, or should I just put them on some cinder blocks and save the money?  Any help would be welcome.

     

    Regards,

     

     

     

    Tim  

    Tim - just for your info -I use 2 pairs of Cornwalls with 2 pairs of Heresies on Top of the Cornwall cabs -so yes , , the higher , the better as they bring out the details -

     

     

    Hi Randyh,

     

    When I started reading your posting I began laughing to myself because I thought you were going to recommend Cornwalls as speaker stands and that got me thinking.  What is the most a forum member has spent on 'speaker stands'?  

     

    Are you playing all these speakers at once and if so is this your HT system?

     

    Regards,  Tim 

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    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

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    I also did these stands for a pair of Heresys that I refurbed:

     

    HOO-2.jpg

     

    Sound wise I didn't like these quite as well as the "slant" Rat Shack stands.

     

    These Heresys and the stands currently live with a forum member near Orlando. When I sold them to him he was driving them with a really nice vintage Marantz receiver. A 2270 I think. Perhaps he'll chime in on this thread.

     

    teknoid,

     

    It looks like you were doing a really nice job with those cabinets.  Do you have any thoughts about why you didn't like the stands you made as much as the slant Rat Shack stands?  What was it about the sound that made one stand better than the other - high frequencies, mids, bass, some combination thereof, or something else?

     

    What are you using to drive your speakers and what source(s) are you using?

     

    Regards, Tim 

    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    Well I can only say that Noel had more than a couple of serious listening sessions considering the H3 but in the end he figured he want to stick with Harbeth as it is his bread and butter line of speaker stands.

    Below are some threads on modifications there is more involved but this is a good start. Hope this is of interest. Best regards Moray James.

    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=537287

    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=529599

    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=438234

    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=441379

    http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=430992

     

    Thanks for those links.  I've already looked through the link about the tweeter time alignment mod; I'll save the rest to read at a later date.

     

    Regards, Tim

    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted · Edited by Tim_in_Norfolk

    Hey Tim: I talked Noel Nolan into building the custom for Heresy and Forte stands. I have known Noel since the early 1980's and helped him with build and design work off an on over the decades. This set of very much modified Heresy lll eat up Noel's HL5 Harbeth with no contest in every area of performance. Noel is one of the finest people you will ever meet, they just don't come any better. Best regards Moray James.

    PS: here is the latest new photo of a set of Noels four post stands under a set of HL40 Harbeth. You will find Noels stands all over the world in the finest systems there are.

     

    Hi Moray James,

     

    Wow.  What a great, and unexpected, answer.

     

    Does Noel agree with your analysis regarding your modified Heresy IIIs vs his HL5s?  Any chance you could provide a link to what modifications you have made to your Heresy IIIs.  Thanks.

     

    Regards,  Tim 

    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

     

    Hello everyone,

     

    I like listening to my Heresy loudspeakers off the floor and I'm considering buying some loudspeaker stands but I wonder if it is worth it.

     

    I'd like to hear from anyone who had their speakers on cinder blocks or furniture and now has them on stands.  Was there an improvement in the sound quality?  

     

    Do these speakers work best on low mass open frame type stands or high mass loaded stands, or should I just put them on some cinder blocks and save the money?  Any help would be welcome.

     

    Regards,

     

     

     

    Tim

    I have mine very modified and up on 21 inch high four post Skylan Stands they look and sound excellent. The centre of the mid horn is at my seated ear height. The Skylan stans have mass loadable polymer tubes which can be filled with different materials depending upon your floor. I you have a suspended floor then you want to use less and lighter material like half full with rive. If you have a concrete pad you can fill them with sand. Good stands do make a difference. Best regards Moray James.

     

     

    Moray James,

     

    Hi.  Skylan stands have a very good reputation over here in the UK especially among the Harbeth community.  What made you decide on this speaker stand as compared to any other?  Were you able to audition it prior to purchase or was it simply a leap of faith based on reputation and or reading one or more reviews, professional or otherwise?

     

    Regards, Tim

    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    Welcome Tim! 

     

    That PWK article is one of the most obscure and controversial ones that he authored.  I think that the bottom line that Mr. Klipsch was saying is that "a little attention to detail" is a big deal when integrating loudspeakers into rooms.

     

    Clearly, getting the midrange/tweeter up at ear level while sitting is also a big deal.  What PWK was saying is "do it right if you are raising the loudspeakers off the floor", and why he advocated and provided slant risers for Heresies to be placed on the floor for most people, since in those days, people didn't have spectrum analyzers that were less than $100(US), i.e., the price of a calibration microphone and driving electronics.  The software is free nowadays and most people that can afford these loudspeakers also own and use home computers.

     

    PWK was much less verbose about correcting for in-room bass FR peaks--something that I've found to be at least as important as getting the loudspeaker midrange/tweeter at ear level.  Once you tame the bass FR to remove the peaks, I find that the loudspeaker's bass "speed" and overall bass quality improve significantly.  Also coupled into this is having a sufficient level of early reflection acoustic absorption and bass trapping.  If you are listening in a room with slap echos, it will degrade the listening experience significantly.

     

    Chris

     

    Chris,

     

    Thanks for that link to Paul's article.  

     

    It was an interesting read although I probably did not understand everything.  I wonder if that 100 cs uplift mentioned is why many reviewers refer to the improved base response on certain stands.

     

    It looks like the way to go initially anyway is to ask the wife to select her choice of fabric to cover the cinder blocks.  I might as well see if she wants to hang some heavy fabric on the walls too that should help the sound out too.

    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

     

    The bass extension is somewhat limited but I do like the 'speed' and quality of the bass off the floor and out of the corners. At a later date I hope to get a subwoofer.

     

    See point "V" (five) on page 4: https://community.klipsch.com/forums/storage/3/442564/Eight%20Cardinal%20Points%20by%20PWK4.pdf

     

    Clearly, there are a few people that really don't care for bass performance (or that don't correct for in-room bass peaks using EQ below the room's Schroeder frequency). A loudspeaker's bass performance is the most valued discriminator between loudspeaker types in Floyd Toole's studies, and is mentioned in his book.

     

    If you run a REW sweep of a loudspeaker on thin stands or stands with legs, you'll see the bass FR suck-outs vs. placing the loudspeaker on the floor, or on solid stands that are the size of the loudspeaker box (or larger) all the way to the floor. 

     

    Chris

     

     

    Chris,

     

    Thanks for that link.  I'll have a read through the whole article later today.  

     

    This is the great thing about this forum - so many people with so much information and knowledge.  It's like going to school only really enjoyable.

    Attention all UK Cornwall owners

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    Wow how odd that you say that!! We were there last Saturday at their demonstration event listening to a £40k + audio note system . Whilst it was out of our price range we were less than blown away by the an/e's they sounded very good but it just didn't grab us like the klipsch do, didn't seem to have the separation and super high resolution of the klf and this is the sound we are hunting with a little more refinement. This is what started the whole Cornwall hunt! They have Heresy's in and la Scala which we may well go have a listen to I just never entertained la Scala as I fear they are missing off a whole octave of the bass with their frequency response.

    Thanks for the suggestion though! Every little helps :)

    All the best

    Matt

     

    Matt,

     

    Years ago I was fortunate enough to be able to listen to the Klipsch Heresy, Cornwall and La Scala for very extended periods - the shop no longer exists.  Of course, everyone has different musical preferences, hearing and objectives but I fell in love with horn loaded bass reproduction - although the bass extension was more limited on the La Scala I felt the dynamics of the bass reproduction was much better, it felt 'live'.

     

    If you live in the south-east, have you considered contacting any of Klipsch's European dealers?

     

    Good luck with your search for a UK Cornwall owner.

    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

     

    Bill,

     

    Thanks for the welcome.  That is an impressive list of audio equipment you have got. I can see why you have the tag, 'Klipsch Fanatic'.  I am just hoping to get two systems together!

     

    Tim,

     

    Thanks for the kind words.  Half the fun is the journey.

     

    I love this hobby.

     

    I started my Klipsch journey seeking an awesome HT experience but some great music, speakers and gear got in the way.

     

    Bill

     

     

    Bill,

     

    I have to agree with you about half the fun being the journey.  Last year I made my first ever foray onto ebay and I noticed someone was listing a pair of NIB Heresy IIs so on the basis of that I joined ebay and contacted the seller.

     

    The listing was auction only and I was so concerned the price would be bid beyond my price limit.  I worried over that listing for four days but as luck would have it nobody placed a bid except me.  When I went to pick up the speakers the seller turned out to be a former importer of Klipsch into the UK.  He was a great guy and I even got to hear a story or two about how he got involved with Klipsch and his meeting with Paul.  I spent a good part of the afternoon there and would have stayed longer had the wife not looked so bored.

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    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    garyrc,

     

    The bass extension is somewhat limited but I do like the 'speed' and quality of the bass off the floor and out of the corners.  At a later date I hope to get a subwoofer.

     

    A local dealer (London) was recently selling a new P-312W for £1250 (exchange rate is approx. £1 = $1.50) which is an excellent price but my pockets were empty.  I think that is going to be one of those purchases I wish I could have made.

     

    By the way, congratulations on a fine collection of Klipsch.  I just love that horn loaded bass.

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    Would you put Heresys on stands?

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted · Edited by Tim_in_Norfolk

    Hello everyone,

     

    I like listening to my Heresy loudspeakers off the floor and I'm considering buying some loudspeaker stands but I wonder if it is worth it.

     

    I'd like to hear from anyone who had their speakers on cinder blocks or furniture and now has them on stands.  Was there an improvement in the sound quality?  

     

    Do these speakers work best on low mass open frame type stands or high mass loaded stands, or should I just put them on some cinder blocks and save the money?  Any help would be welcome.

     

    Regards,

     

     

     

    Tim  

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    For Sale Decorator Heresy's

    in Garage Sale

    Posted

    Hi Henry Browning 63,

     

    I cannot believe you have had to post these on e-Bay.

     

    I noticed your posting on here almost immediately (back in January) and thought these speakers would have been snapped up instantly.  I know if I lived in the U.S. I would have bought them, if you would have sold them to me.  When the price dropped to $600 dollars I just cursed my luck that I was in England.

     

    I hope they make the price they deserve on e-Bay and I am really sorry you are having to part with such obviously cherished speakers. 

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