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Happenstance is just your particular anecdote, isn't it?
Yeah, and I've done more learning in the last 6 years AFTER employment in another job that actually was in the field you're referring to. Not to mention, what career am I going to get from that? Not a damn thing is the correct answer. It hasn't gained me fortunes now, it hasn't given me any certifications to come. It certainly isn't getting me a job, and it isn't teaching me squat about fundamentals. Your using me as an example is a poor one at best. Especially since you claim that someone like me should be able to do all kinds of crazy and unique things that I'm apparently just not telling you about.
And remind me how many of those "dudes" there are again?.
"While others were playing with toy action figures, I was playing with amplifiers and speakers."
Guess who said that?
That's how independent learning takes place.
I seriously can't stand that...you want to talk about "ancient thought" - yet you sit there and use a fancier version of just that. Do you realize how annoying it is when my mom says "How do you know all this stuff", when all I'm doing is opening the task manager and killing a program on her desktop? I've been exposed to it, so I happen to know how to make it work again. Happenstance learning is not independent learning. Don't confuse the two.
Putting some intention and direction into self education is not unusual or difficult.
It feels like you are trying to argue that education can only exist under an large bureaucratic infrastructure. I just don't buy that.
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And remind me how many of those "dudes" there are again?
"While others were playing with toy action figures, I was playing with amplifiers and speakers."
Guess who said that?
That's how independent learning takes place.
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I recently discovered Dubstep. Love it.
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No offense sir, but that's 19th century. Today, 6 dudes who can write code earned 19 billion dollars for 28 months of work. Stacks of dudes with history PhD.s and countless certificates were scratching their arse trying to make $30k a year.
Whatever you say guy. Stripping systematic approaches opens the door to plenty of problems and armchair "experts" in the field. Look at the internet, it's full of them....
I'm not saying private teaching is bad, I'm not saying all public schools are good, but what I am saying is without any kind of standards established and basic learning skills, knowledge doesn't mean squat.
Understanding the present day is how I base my thoughts on education. Yes, the credentialed jobs still require formal education in institutions. There's already enough guys from India and China who will do that and get those positions. Doctors and dentists are the new worker bees. Smart guys don't want those jobs. They want to be entrepreneurs, Quant's, and creators.
I can argue that the greatest, most intrinsically valuable skill today is CODING. are they teaching that in 8 th grade? I think they are teaching algebra!!!! Lol
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No offense dude but at best you are an armchair quarterback... Best of luck to your kids and I do not say that sarcastically, but your ideas have absolutely no real world application. I suggest you get out of the chair and try substituting in a REAL school, all it takes is a Bachelors in anything what-so-ever...
Roger
I don't have kids. And no, I would never be interested in substituting as anything in a government school. No interest in the archaic stuff at all. It looks like mostly behavior control, which is what to expect when you pile 34 anxious, energetic, young strangers in a room. BUT, I've taught very young kids informally many times, and was stunned by their uptake ability and drive to learn when they are interested in the work. I've never met many kids interested in sitting at a desk all day.
I totally get the resentment of new and different ideas that challenge government authority. The government has done a stunning job for generations at getting the flock running in one direction and believing managed public school is what learning is about. I once thought the same way. It was only around 2000 when I began to see that just out of sight of most people's vision the world had dramatically changed almost over night. You have to look for it, because the education establishment has a lot at stake in maintaining the status quo in education. Millions of jobs and layers of control. And oh my, there's the publishing business too! It's all headed for the dustbin.
It's a good thing to discuss.
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I've been to live venues, and usually there is so much talking, and drink clanking and air conditioning pumps running and laughter and shuffling of chairs you can't get a good clean sound.
Yes, sir. Been there done that, and here is the result. Let me know what you think. Bear in mind this was originally in 24/192 and so is dumbed down... Not sure if the link will take you directly to St. James Infirmary or not, but scroll down if it doesn't. Let me know what you think.
Dave
Hey, that's swell Mr. Mallette man! The whooping and hollering is great. Do you record all your own music? That's great. I don't have that skill, and I like too many old stars that are dead and gone!
Good job.
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No offense sir, but that's 19th century. Today, 6 dudes who can write code earned 19 billion dollars for 28 months of work. Stacks of dudes with history PhD.s and countless certificates were scratching their arse trying to make $30k a year.
Whatever you say guy. Stripping systematic approaches opens the door to plenty of problems and armchair "experts" in the field. Look at the internet, it's full of them....
I'm not saying private teaching is bad, I'm not saying all public schools are good, but what I am saying is without any kind of standards established and basic learning skills, knowledge doesn't mean squat.
Understanding the present day is how I base my thoughts on education. Yes, the credentialed jobs still require formal education in institutions. There's already enough guys from India and China who will do that and get those positions. Doctors and dentists are the new worker bees. Smart guys don't want those jobs. They want to be entrepreneurs, Quant's, and creators.
I can argue that the greatest, most intrinsically valuable skill today is CODING. are they teaching that in 8 th grade? I think they are teaching algebra!!!! Lol
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Less time, not more. Kids can learn at a far, far greater rate of intake than public schools provide. Manage? Why would someone need to manage it? Who is managing the education that all the dropouts are getting out on the street? Answer - no one. And yet, some become very, very smart. We're getting stuck in the old ideas that education is like building a Model T Ford on an assembly line. LOL! That's the whole trouble with the "public school" idea. It's ancient and doesn't acknowledge the modern world.
None of those points solve any of the issues. Using these methods would take far more time to accomplish and drastically increase the room for error. Let alone, who manages and mandates the quality of education being received?With 34 kids in a classroom, you are nuts.
Did you read what I wrote? Or, do you just like telling people they're nuts? LOL! Try especially 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and see if you can find me advising to teach "34 kids in a classroom."
Let's assume I have a 6 year old kid here. Why do I need to have him in your assembly line? Why would I want your managers to be managing him? I'll set him off on very advanced creative works, that he enjoys and is intrigued by, and he'll learn because he wants to. Maybe building stuff, maybe art, maybe music, maybe programming or robots or writing or poetry? Each thing to learn will involve reading and probably some math. He will find his own talents and pursue them. Management by Joe Blow not needed.
We've become so accustomed to the idea that school is a "place" filled with "managers" and "testing" that we've lost the whole means of how people fundamentally learn things. Big Shots with Ph.D. in the FBI are perpetually amazed at the idea that a 12 year old can hack into government computers. They still think you need 8 years of university! That's just dumb thinking. You think all these Rusky hackers making millions of gullible Americans online went to college? Not likely. Learning occurs when internal passion drives goals. Little kids can learn very complex video games in a fraction of the time that their "educated" parents can learn them. Why? Because they have the passion for it.
Most development happens by age 3!! That is the parents job to shape there Childs future.
I do not totally disagree with your home teaching process vs: the current state of our educational system.
Hell, we have gone down the drain so much in what public schools offer, such as advanced classes in chemistry actually using chemicals, beakers and Bunsen burners to actual shop classes like metals, woodworking and welding.
Not only is the curriculum no longer there, the meals they are serving are kids are total crap and even were prior to the current first lady, they are not even allowed to have metal silverware, plastic Knives, plastic forks only once in a while and only Styrofoam bowls, not the bowls that came with the tray.
Joe, IF you have a wide enough range of learning to properly educate your child, MORE power too you, I say great!!
BUT, My father was a history teacher first, then a Principle, then Superintendent over 3 different School systems, the last had the second highest operational budget in the state for AA sized schools. He was also treasurer and later, president of the county board of education. My mom was a first grade teacher with her PHD in education and a Masters in guidance counseling, so I was raised with a lot more insight on this then you have.
As stated before by others, "This is NOT an EASEY fix" and the largest problem we have and have had for decades is Federal Government intrusion. Just as the Federal Government has gotten involved with healthcare to the point that the Nurse and Doctor MUST spend more time charting than with the actual patient, so has it negatively affected the Teachers and their actual ability to perform their roles and actually teach and foster young minds.
Once again, IF you can give your kid a leg up, GREAT, but it is a HEII of a lot of work and you need to be proficient in a lot of areas!
Roger
We're just gabbing, so don't get mad. But, let's try to imagine how the following happens:
- parents discover little Joey, a 14 year old is under scrutiny as a hacker.
- parents discover little Mary, a 15 year old girl, has 2 million followers on her YouTube fashion channel.
-parents discover little Ben, a 16 year old has won a national robotics building contest.
All of that happens with no oversight, no managers, no one constantly watching them. They learn on their own, and from peers, who pass along expertise on the funny thing we call internet. Yes, at 2am while mom and pop are sleeping Joey, Mary, and Ben are sitting at their computers learning!
Right.... Not all of them. But the point I'd that all this talk of management is about behavior, not learning.
We don't need millions of generic educated kids. We need experts, artists, creators, and it matters almost not at all if they know who the 18th president was.
Mr. D. Trump recently said it this way: "I'll know what I need to know, when I need to know it, and don't fill my head with junk until I do, because everything changes! "
It's one of the best quotes of the past 10 years. He's right. That's what we can being ready and adaptive. It's modern.
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Guy buys a record, and doesn't imagine this performance!!! Lol
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Really? Did I say that? Lol!!
So we just let everyone go and do whatever the hell they want? Are you serious? You don't see a problem with that? I want to live in your world..
No, I didn't say that at all!
But, if you're having fun with that, go ahead and run with it! Lol!!
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Mr. Mallette Man,
Right-o! Well you are a recording engineer and make your own material. Us others (well, some of us), just like Frank Sinatra and Peggy Lee and Lalo Schifrin and Gordon Lightfeet, and we buy records made for playing on HiFis so we can enjoy the songs. We've never been to all those studios, and even if we were there, they put one guy in a room, and another guy in a booth, and maybe the singer comes the next day and lays down the voice over the tracks created the day before. There really isn't any "performance" so to speak. It's just record making. Might as well be a piano roll.
I've been to live venues, and usually there is so much talking, and drink clanking and air conditioning pumps running and laughter and shuffling of chairs you can't get a good clean sound. Then they play the music over some Bose stage speakers, so, live ain't gonna be my thing either.
So, yeah, I get that the best deal is to record your own performers. But, I'm not sure many people are doing it that way.
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IMO it's generational. OGXers have been hosed by the same system that worked so well for the previous gen. Yeah you guys are talking at cross purposes because the underlying assumptions are different. It is easy to agree something has gone terribly wrong with a system that benefitted both society and individuals at one time. The fix is not so simple.
The buggy whip was once a very useful tool. But, it's not now. But the Internet is.
Point: The world today is not what it was in 1850 when schools were more or less invented.
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With 34 kids in a classroom, you are nuts.
Did you read what I wrote? Or, do you just like telling people they're nuts? LOL! Try especially 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and see if you can find me advising to teach "34 kids in a classroom."
None of those points solve any of the issues. Using these methods would take far more time to accomplish and drastically increase the room for error. Let alone, who manages and mandates the quality of education being received?
Less time, not more. Kids can learn at a far, far greater rate of intake than public schools provide. Manage? Why would someone need to manage it? Who is managing the education that all the dropouts are getting out on the street? Answer - no one. And yet, some become very, very smart. We're getting stuck in the old ideas that education is like building a Model T Ford on an assembly line. LOL! That's the whole trouble with the "public school" idea. It's ancient and doesn't acknowledge the modern world.
Let's assume I have a 6 year old kid here. Why do I need to have him in your assembly line? Why would I want your managers to be managing him? I'll set him off on very advanced creative works, that he enjoys and is intrigued by, and he'll learn because he wants to. Maybe building stuff, maybe art, maybe music, maybe programming or robots or writing or poetry? Each thing to learn will involve reading and probably some math. He will find his own talents and pursue them. Management by Joe Blow not needed.
We've become so accustomed to the idea that school is a "place" filled with "managers" and "testing" that we've lost the whole means of how people fundamentally learn things. Big Shots with Ph.D. in the FBI are perpetually amazed at the idea that a 12 year old can hack into government computers. They still think you need 8 years of university! That's just dumb thinking. You think all these Rusky hackers making millions of gullible Americans online went to college? Not likely. Learning occurs when internal passion drives goals. Little kids can learn very complex video games in a fraction of the time that their "educated" parents can learn them. Why? Because they have the passion for it.
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dude. Roger is super smart. His posts just never reveal that fact. The educational system failed him and me. Well, sort of.
Oh, I know. I think he said he was a genius. All the more reason to be baffled by that comment.
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With 34 kids in a classroom, you are nuts.
Did you read what I wrote? Or, do you just like telling people they're nuts? LOL! Try especially 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and see if you can find me advising to teach "34 kids in a classroom."
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Except, I think you are totally missing the point I made about teachers not fostering advanced students because of their own personal grading system set forth by the Federal Government...
ok.
But the point I wanted to make is that any real education has to be done outside the official school. Compared to a typical school curriculum, a kid can learn 5X as much on his own time. Government education of the masses (doesn't matter which level of government) is a process of meeting THEIR goals. K-12 + JC is designed for training docile worker bees. Cogs in the wheel. Look at how silly and superficial the history is that kids learn in school. Useless comes to mind. Get your kids to be avid readers, then help them select reading lists that will enrich their interests. Do this for a year or two to get then kickstarted and they will be unstoppable - no matter what politicians are doing with schools.
I am trying to wrap my head around this concept and understand what you are suggesting.
Should we eliminate schools and set kids in front of a commputer monitor and let them go at it? In a supervised and safe enviorment of course. Who teaches them to read?
Or do we keep the schools and swtitch everything to a self paced system, the "teacher" only monitors/approves what they teach themselves on the computer?
Are they graded? Periodically assessed?
The concept of a 12 year-old child left to his/her own devices and free to direct what they are interested in learning is kind of a scary thought.
Plato believed we were born with all knowledge, it was a matter of just being able to bring it out, anamnesis. Others, like Locke, believed that we are born a blank slate, a tabula rasa and we must learn everything. Still others think we are pre-wired for somethings, like spoken language, but not others, like written language.
There are a lot of people who are "self-taught" in a great many fields. However, I am not aware of anyone who is completely self taught. Abraham Lincoln would be the closest that comes to mind, but he was taught to read and spend abour 18 months is one form of a classroom or another. He is the shining example of what you say about having kids love to read and what they can learn on their own. Lincoln in fact loved to read, and would walk for miles to borrow just one book to read.
There is a pretty strong correlation between how much a country spends on education, and the wealth of a country. I don't see states chucking out their school systems and leaving it to the kids to teach themselves.
Ok, here's what I mean.
1. The public school system has these problems:
-Way too slow. The pace is geared to the slowest kids.
-Way too biased in subjects like history and literature. The "government view" of history and literature is not the view I want my kids to learn.
-Too dependent on sitting at attention. Kids are far too dynamic for this. They need to move more, get more physically active and have more freedom of movement.
2. Public school should be a kind of last resort.
3. Teaching, should as far as possible be directed by parents and other family/friend/neighbor adults who can easily be trained in how to apply creative curriculum developed by experts.
4. Self education is not "rare" at all. Although most people went through public schools, most ambitious people self taught their special interests. Even drug dealers and criminals who drop out of school become highly intelligent and can often run circles around formally trained business people.
5. There has never been a time in history with so many free education opportunities avail to virtually everyone. An internet connection and library card is all you need. Putting aside "credentialed" work, a person can go learn anything they want.
6. We're shortchanging kids. We're wasting their vast energy, potential and creativity and learning abilities in school systems that are archaic relics of the 19th century. Mostly be cause we are insisting on "mass production education" in an age of mass specialization. it's like comparing a General Store of 1856 to Amazon.com. Oh sure, they put computers in schools, but it's window dressing. They are still the same schoolroom models from 1850.
7. Children are the lowest priority in western society. It's a pity. Adults would never go to work in buildings we use for schools. Asbestos, broken plumbing, No HVAC, closed bathrooms, crumbling structures - abound in big cities.
8. The way of the future is not on the factory floor. We no longer need millions of generic workers who can be plugged into spots on an assembly lines. We need specialists. Everyone has to find a niche talent and specialty. You can't do that in an American K-12 system which is 100 years old.
9. Testing is probably a waste of time. It's being used again, to create "generic workers" when that's not what the future looks like. We have to help kids find their expertise, their love, their talents, as early as possible.
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The great majority of recordings I own were made in various studios, none of which I have ever been inside. Capital Records in Hollywood? The Sound Factory? And so on. A good many don't even have an indication of where they were made. I know that some involved dubbing tracks and performers from multiple studios.
This morning I was playing Henry Mancini "Music From Peter Gunn." The only info on the record sleeve is, "Recorded in Hollywood, August 26 and 31, and September 4 and 29, 1958.Produced by Simon Rady. "
I like the sound of it. But it's a creation made for playing on a HiFi. It's HiFi music. And, I think that accounts for 99% of the thousands of records and CDs I own. They don't provide any reference standard, it's just a platter for playing on HiFis. You like it or you don't. A guy could play it on those JBL studio monitors, or another guy could play it on a $200,000 Wilson, and they both might like it, or one might not, or whatever. It's just stuff for HiFis.
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Mr. DWI lawyer,
Thanks for the previous info about home school rules in Texas. It makes sense. I've always thought that "compulsory state education" should be made into "available state education."
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I see. I think what you are saying is that the engineer who made the recording will know when it's reproduced correctly.
In this light, which makes sense now, my best bet would be a set of studio monitors that are commonly used by record engineers. In thinking of trying a popular one called JBL LSR 308. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb14/articles/jbl-3-series.htm There are dozens of brands that are similar, and all have small woofers and a tweeter. Prices vary.That might solve the problem of "hear what they hear. "
This would be at least the kind of sound engineers finalize recordings with. You hear what they hear! The larger version is about $600 a pair, which leaves me wondering about speakers costing $200,000 made by Dave Wilson? What would that listener get that isn't in the studio monitor? Well yes, I know about the prestige, but what is he hearing, that's not in the monitor? It looks like something else is afoot. My first guess is that the bigger expense is adding baroque flourish to the stripped down studio sound.
Then there is the issue of simply bad mastering/engineering. Surely, some guys/gals are better than others!?
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I don't know the specific law, because I never had a reason to look. I would imagine someone needs a credential. Private, for profit schools exist, so I would imagine one could open a private, not for profit school. But that's a guess.
I would want to encourage independent learning not mass conformance. Classrooms filled with kids during at desks looks ridiculous to me. Kids have to much energy for that. Kids need to be doing projects, making art, making music, independent research, building things, exploring. That's how you learn.
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If I had kids, and I know it's easy to say when you don't, I'd want them in private, non commercial, neighborhood school. A small school run by parents and volunteers. Probably in someone's home. Something based on Mdme. Montessori's principles. I wouldn't want a government school, a religious school, or worst of all a corporate school. I would definitely volunteer to reach kids.
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I got pretty interested in this topic and spent a couple hours reading about the pro and con of Common Core. Like so many topics in modern America, this one is fully politicized. A political football, as they say. Conspiracy theorists are having a field day with this, and the highly paid professional propagandists are working overtime!
The short story is this: new is bad.
The new math teaches theory ahead of rote procedure. The theory is foreign to the parents who only learned rote memorization of basic math tables. The parents are screaming bloody murder because they don't know how to help their kids do the home work. That's really about it. The theory the kids are learning is mathematically sound. A good foundation. But let's face it, parents don't want to be embarrassed by not knowing how to explain 9+6=. The CC people should have anticipated this problem. If the parent wasn't in on the lesson, how can they explain it?
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What's abstract about the base 10 system of counting?
I never imagined that could be called abstract.
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What makes a POS recording a POS?
1. What's the criteria?
2. What's the instrument to measure it?
3. How do we even know what the engineers did? If he boosted some bass by 12dBs, is that automatically bad? Or only bad if it sounds bad on my speaker? What if he corrected performance mistakes and thereby created a performance which the artist never tendered? An artificial performance! Good or POS?
4. Wouldn't we have to know what the engineers did to judge POS? If not, and it is only up to reach " speaker + brain " then how meaningful is the judgment?
5. WHERE IS GROUND ZERO? WHAT IS THE REFERENCE?
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From Common Core:
http://www.corestandards.org/other-resources/key-shifts-in-mathematics/
I think it sounds excellent. It focuses on kids learning the concepts, not just rote manipulation.
There seems to be more of a political objection than any rational objection to the ACTUAL curricula in the subject. Why on earth would we not want to learn math concepts, like base number understanding?
This new math looks vastly improved over my 1955 lessons!
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One for the Educators in the crowd
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Some inspiration for autodidactism.
http://www.davidmansaray.com/big-self-education-project
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/self-education
http://www.creativitypost.com/education/11_tips_for_self_education_in_the_internet_age
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