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10 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:
Timbre match on surrounds wont be an issue within klipsch. Its more a preference. If you are willing to replace the inwalls and move them then you wont have to compromise at all. In wall would be better but may limit your ability to toe and angle them which may be needed....or....test enough beforehand and go in wall again. Its very easy to find the right spots. I used a stack of boxes and moved them around to test....added removed a box to see it will be obvious.
Omg this is so darn confusing, meaning do I stay with the inwalls or not. Ugg
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1 hour ago, RoboKlipsch said:
Ok wait....are the in walls the back surrounds? If so this is gonna work out great. I was confused looking at the pictures
Yeah they are in the walls...they are some inexpensive polks I could afford at the time. They are definitely too high. I was think if I should replace the inwalls with R-5650s ii, and have the sides be RP-250s but I was told the timbre wont match so well.
What do I do? lol
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1 hour ago, RoboKlipsch said:
A2 b2 are roughly the spots for sides imo your mock ups make more sense now...and that position may work well too
I am going to rework the diagram of my basement again. Basically it would be B3 and inbetween A2 and A3. Thats about all I can do.
My daughter and I watched Insidious today with the couch moved about a foot and a half forward. There was definitely a difference but those tiny bose speakers aren't much to work with.
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1 hour ago, Loudnobnoxious said:
Yes. They need to come down. Where you put the cardboard cutout is a good place to experiment with but like Robo said, try them and then move them a little. Generally 90-110 degrees from the listening position. Generally it's recommended they be 2-3 ft above your ears when sitting. Not bashing Bose because this is a Klipsch forum, because there are many people here who mix in other brands with Klipsch, but Bose is generally not regarded very highly by the audiophile community. If you like them great, but around here or places like AVSforum, they'll tell you Bose stands for Buy Other Sound Equipment. They give you a lot of highs but not much mids. Plus they're designed to work with Bose only equipment and a strong A/V receiver can fry them.
I don't even remember where I got those Bose from. I am not a fan. they were just small and all I had. They are going bye bye
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3 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:
my goal would be 7.1 and nothing less.
i would not order anything i cant return until im sure what i want
heres the gist. move that couch forward until it is parallel to or slightly in front of the side surrounds. try that. i would expect the improvement to be so big you wont even want to bother will exact back surround placement. your layout for 7.1 is almost spot on already. its the listening position that causes everything to be off
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we are talking $0 ti fix this cool
OK so I made a quick mock up of a RP-250s, its not pretty but it gives me the (very) rough dimensions of what it would feel like in any particular space. And with that I have decided to do something rather unorthodox...
So you see that bookshelf isn't merely a bookshelf...
And I was thinking I could easily make a place to mount the speaker, while running the wire so the door could still open and close, this would allow me to have both speajers directly across from one another. Its easy enough to pull the couch forward a foot while watching a movie and then putting it back.
PS I have stopped buying blu rays and just buy everything on iTunes now....
What do you think???
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2 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:
my goal would be 7.1 and nothing less.
i would not order anything i cant return until im sure what i want
heres the gist. move that couch forward until it is parallel to or slightly in front of the side surrounds. try that. i would expect the improvement to be so big you wont even want to bother will exact back surround placement. your layout for 7.1 is almost spot on already. its the listening position that causes everything to be off
we are talking $0 ti fix this loud!
OK! But those tiny bose side speakers are right up on at the ceiling...they need to come down?
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3 minutes ago, Loudnobnoxious said:
Sit in the main listening position and have someone walk along the side walls with a mirror. Where you see the speaker from your listening position is your first reflection points. You also have one behind you. For me the rear one was the biggest one. I made a two inch panel insulation panel and the difference was night and day. I also have about 8 to 12 inches between the couch and wall. It depends on how much the kids are feeling rambunctious. Just from the main menu of a few movies I put on the test things out, I was hearing things, I never heard again. I added one side panel, because the second side panel would be where my stair banisters are. They act as a difusor.
Ok, will do. I think I understand......
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1 minute ago, RoboKlipsch said:
thats fine...if u determine that there is a solution or a compromise that will still be close if not the same
pretend for a moment u are single and have nobody ever coming over. find the spots then figure how to work it out in reality...but start by knowing what u really want layoutwise
"Pretend for a moment you are single" YESSIR!!
3 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:i could walk you through it easily.
first step is placement....decide where u can fit the surrounds and couch and optimize that first.
trust me try some different positions you will get a huge smile on your face as u find better spots.
the couch is more important here than the surrounds but both are important.
a few panels will then vastly improve dialog and clarity.
then calibration to dial it all in....1 2 3 ur done.
I am going to take you up on that offer mr.!
I should just order the 2 250s? Forget about the back wall for the time being?
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1 minute ago, RoboKlipsch said:
This is that height and couch being close to the wall.
for testing purposes i would ignore how the room looks for a few days while testing couch and speaker positions.
i myself put the surrounds on boxes and vary the height and position forward and back and honestly in a few hours you can find "the" spot or spots for them. then you decide how and if you can reallymake that work. Guessing will not get you to surround nirvana
OK, I think I can do that! The problem will be when I find the perfect spot and its half on a door and half on a wall. Now to order those surround speakers.....
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1 minute ago, RoboKlipsch said:
at places along the side walls that absorb the reflections off the walls to make the sound much clearer
I wish I knew how to do that. Lol
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13 hours ago, Loudnobnoxious said:
Your best bet is to follow the Dolby specs as closely as possible to get the best sound. Proper placement is important and Robo has some good tips. If you can't move your couch off the wall, you might want to consider just staying with a 5.1 or 5.2 system. I have my couch about a foot off the back wall. I tried a sixth channel behind the couch but I didn't like it to much. I prefer the 5.1 but setting it up properly and adding some sound dampening material to catch the first reflection points made my system sound exponentially better.
And the more I look at my walls the more i think "this is impossible!"
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13 hours ago, Loudnobnoxious said:
Your best bet is to follow the Dolby specs as closely as possible to get the best sound. Proper placement is important and Robo has some good tips. If you can't move your couch off the wall, you might want to consider just staying with a 5.1 or 5.2 system. I have my couch about a foot off the back wall. I tried a sixth channel behind the couch but I didn't like it to much. I prefer the 5.1 but setting it up properly and adding some sound dampening material to catch the first reflection points made my system sound exponentially better.
Hmmm, so you think dump the very back wall speakers and readjust the sides? At the this point I barely ever here the backs or sides anyways. Its very frustrating
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11 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:
If i offered to ship 2 acoustic panels to every Klipsch member in the color they prefer for free and if they dont like them return them. ...i think 98% would keep them. They are that important.
I wouldn't know what to do with them if you gave them to me lol. Where would I put them?
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4 minutes ago, Youthman said:
You did an awesome job diagraming your room and photos showing possible placement. I did the same thing when in my build thread.
Cool thank you, I took me quite a few tries to get it right.
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2 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:
Two comments --
1) Near ceiling placement is problematic for several reasons, but the gist is, you should mount them much lower than you are showing. I know at first it seems like it may screw up the room, but it won't. They can be blended into the furnishings on the wall but lower...preferably from just above ear height to no more than a couple feet above ear height...and preferably at least a foo from the ceiling. This is not even as important as --
Follow up question: Would the side speakers, if placed near the ceiling, were tilted down towards the sweet spot, would that help? I remember hearing thats called "flying" the speakers. Like at a concert, or a broadway show or even in school auditoriums.
2 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:2) the couch at the back wall needs to come forward. Everything...the fronts, the surrounds, the bass, the calibration, will be tremendously improved with the couch 2 feet off the back wall. 1 foot is OK, 3 feet is better, but on that back wall will cause enough problems you won't get what you hope for out of it.
I wish it could come forward, maybe I will move it there when we play movies. I calibrated everything to the center of the room where I could put our fancy bean bag and have the best seat in the house. Also, won't I be WAY too close to the screen? Well I guess not , if thats where I put the bean bag. I haven't actually tested it out that way yet...its been a crazy few weeks.
2 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:LOL that's a ghostbusters pack on the wall, isn't it?
Yup. Built it myself
Halloween is a fun time around our house...
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2 hours ago, Youthman said:
Absolutely. Some guys like to use wide dispersion on the sides and then direct radiating (like bookshelf or inwalls) for the back surrounds. I have always had (4) wide dispersion speakers for surrounds and they sound great to me.
Okay cool, its those side walls that are the problem. This will be the next step I suppose. I have been staring at those walls all day today....
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Do you think all four being 250s would work?
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Youthman, firstly I cannot thank you enough for all your help. THis has been a fantastic experience.
Okay let me roll back on saying rs-62s was a "dream", because I only found out about them 2 weeks ago lol.
Here are the choices
A. This Sides:
i. RS-52
ii. RS-62 (probably too big)
iii. RP-250s (can get a great deal on brand new ones right away $275 each)
B. The Rears
i. I was just looking through in wall speakers, anyone care to make a few suggestions?
The one that caught my eye was the R-5650s ii
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1 hour ago, Youthman said:
Try 60Hz, 70Hz and 80Hz. See what your ears like the best. I believe I have the crossover in my receiver set to 70Hz.
Okay will do!
Hey if you get a minute I started another thread.......
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17 hours ago, Youthman said:
Wow that looks beautiful!
I set the crossover on my subs to LFE. If you don't have that, turn your crossover on the sub to the highest setting (Probably 120Hz). Then set the crossover in your receiver somewhere between 60Hz - 80Hz
Okay so I set the sub to LFE and the receiver to 60Hz, that sound about right?
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Howdy Howdy Howdy!
I have been getting absolutely fabulous advice on this forum, and have had great pleasure meeting and doing business with people from here!!
So lets keep it going!
So, rear speakers:
Lets take a look at the diagram and talk about where the side speakers should go. The pig problem is fitting what I want, which at the moment the dream would be the RS-62s, I have also been suggested the rp-250s.... here are the questions:
1. The big question: If I am getting pyramid shaped rears/sides do I need all four of them to be that shape?
2. The big question: Notice that the three placement choices do not really line up with each other on the sides, A1 to B1 and A3 to B3, however A2 and B2 line up across from one another. Any suggestions on that? Can side be put a spots where the arent directly across from their counter part?
3. The big question (did I say that already??): Any other suggestions for speakers etc? Notice the "B Wall" doesnt have a corner for my to put something big on the floor so I would rather have everything on the wall if possible.
Thanks everyone! This is sooooo much FUN!
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4 minutes ago, Youthman said:
Wow that looks beautiful!
I set the crossover on my subs to LFE. If you don't have that, turn your crossover on the sub to the highest setting (Probably 120Hz). Then set the crossover in your receiver somewhere between 60Hz - 80Hz
What does the LFE even mean? (and thank you)
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Looky looky here boys!!
Now Im embarrassed how to deal with the crossover. What do I set the actual sub at? Theres a crossover on my receiver as well. I never ever know where to set it at. I need an education on that boys!
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Okay successful purchase of RC-64!! Now I actually have to wait to get the sub and the center. Like actually WAIT guys...like several days!!
It was a super super nice guy on the camero forum, spoke with him on the phone and everything.
Im actually all of a sudden getting nervous about how loud this is all going to be.....
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Halloween is a fun time around our house...
Rear speaker placement *manically laughs*
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So took everything apart today and played around a little bit, including pulling out the couch 2 feet, which was actually quite nice. Bought gravity on itunes and watched the first twenty minutes. Watched the scene in Wall*E where they are flying around in space kinda dancing.
But I really couldn't hear those sides or the back....at least not how I am picturing it in my head. I couldn't close my eyes and pinpoint where they were flying, ya know? Its hard to toe in those in walls, you can see them balancing on boardgames. To move them around is a pain. And of course I had some little Klipsch bookshelf speakers that I gave to my friend last week...could've bloody used them today!!
I bit the final bullet and ordered 4 RP-250s to really complete the set up. Phew its a lot of money in a little amount of time but I THINK I know what I want. I'm tired of wanting it to be "right" and getting disappointed when it isnt.
Lets hope I did the right darn thing.....