Thanks RoboKlipsh, and to all that provided feedback. I made a decision, thought I'd tell you guys. I have gotten the rc-62 ii center and I have gotten the RB-81 ii for front left and right and for the surrounds I'll do the RB 51 or the 61 not sure yet exactly. May do a bi polar surround. As far as the sub right now, it's definitely back to square one. One of the subs will be hidden and one out in the open and these hideous metal grills of the svs subs is not going to be ok, this sb16 ultra while tremendously clean and guttural output is outstanding it's just too darn big.