Thanks for the responses...I've never used the Q3's i bought them when a friend needed money and put them away, I had polk audio rears mounted flush in the ceiling but they went with the water...Now looking CL for a RC center and sub... can't talk wife into a LaScalla center and Heresies hanging from the ceiling... Altho I've had my Cornwalls a lot longer then I've had her, best not go down that road....