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2 hours ago, ODS123 said:
I recommend people exhibit zero tolerance for ANY damage they find on their newly arrived Heritage speakers. Eventually, angered retailers who have to deal w/ all these returns will bring enough pressure on Klipsch (who ultimately pays the cost) to spend another $30-40, or whatever, on better packaging.
THIS is primarily why I am sending my new Heresy III speakers back. The damage is minor and mostly not visible when the speakers are against the wall, and part of me would rather just avoid the hassle and live with it. But accepting this damage is giving Klipsch the green light to continue their current bush league packaging practices. If enough of their beautiful speakers are returned, ruined by unnecessary shipping damage, maybe the message will get back to Klipsch from their authorized dealers.
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2 minutes ago, jimjimbo said:
This may or not be true. You don't know what happens when the product leaves the factory and reaches a dealership or a warehouse. Someone might want to take a look at them, maybe demo them, and then VOILA! dings and dents. It is certainly not outside of the realm of possibility.
In my case, I am certain the damage occurred during shipment, not at the factory. I can see that the edges of the boxes have at some point been impacted and pushed in along the same areas as where the speakers are damaged. And in those areas there was nothing between the corner of the box and the corner of the speaker inside except for an inch and a half of empty space. Replace that empty space with a few cents worth of dense styrofoam and.... damage averted!
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8 minutes ago, Arrow#422 said:
That IS the way to package for safe arrival, but adds considerably to the cost.
Seems like it would be offset by less claims or returns.
A single sheet of plastic - laughable - does nothing other than keep someone employed & mere dust off the finish.
There is no need for such expensive overpacking. Simply adding four thick styrofoam pieces that run the length of the four edges would prevent the vast majority of shipping damage, while adding very little to the cost. It makes absolutely no sense that Klipsch doesn't do that.
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38 minutes ago, Sam S. said:
Man, sorry to see that. I did return mine today with prepaid label to go back --- but consider that I had to burn a day off work on the day they were delivered, and I happened to be off today anyway, but I had to lug them over to UPS. I've thought about how long it would take me to drive to Cory (yes I did PM him), or even to Hope to pick up in person. It's a shame that that would even be necessary. Good luck with your return, Ironman. I was going to drop an e-mail to Klipsch today, but when I went to their contact page, I got a 3rd party site that looked unaffiliated, so I didn't. Maybe the mods on this board can pass info. like this on --- and maybe some policies might change.
Or bubble wrap around the speaker might also help in shipment.
Thanks Sam. I just got my prepaid return label and will be shipping them back to Electronics Expo. I got a bit of a discount on them, which makes me wonder if they already knew the speakers were damaged. I am going to order another pair from B&H and they tell me they will be shipped directly from Klipsch, hopefully with better luck. I wish I lived closer to Hope so I could drive there and pick them up myself... and also talk to someone in person about their ridiculously poor packaging.
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1 minute ago, ODS123 said:
I had to send a pair of Cornwall’s back because of shipping damage. Once again, I’m compelled to point out that as wonderful as their speakers are Klipschs shipping boxes are woefully under engineered. The box material is way too thin and the corner edge protection is minimal. After my first pair showed damage, I actually went to the distribution center of the dealer where I bought mine and looked over several pairs before picking one. Every single pair had dings and dents to the box; par for the course considering how big and how far they travel. So if it’s predictable the speakers will get knocked, then Klipsch really needs to improve their packaging
It really is so stupid. They have these nice thick styrofoam caps protecting the tops and bottoms, with nothing protecting the edges. All they have to do to avoid 99% of these damage headaches is to add four long pieces of styrofoam to wrap the edges. How hard can that be?
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2 minutes ago, Maximus89 said:
Damn. What’s up with all the new speakers arriving damaged? Only trust Cory
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'll tell you what's up... the people at the Klipsch factory in Arkansas think it makes sense to ship their delicately finished speakers in thin cardboard boxes with nice styrofoam caps but with nothing to protect the cabinet edges.
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4 minutes ago, Westcoastdrums said:
Same as last post, send them back. Shipping services are super careful about heavy and delicate items. Alway have been, always will be. The next pair you get will more than likely not have the same damage.
Yeah, I think I will have to do that. I am also going to contact Klipsch about their packaging practices, not that it will do any good.
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Like Sam S., I also received damaged Klipsch speakers. I bought a pair of brand new Heresy III's from Electronics Expo (authorized Klipsch dealer) and took delivery of them this morning. The boxes showed typical minor wear from shipping, but nothing that immediately stood out to me. As soon as I unboxed and inspected them, I found edge damage on both speakers.
On the rear right edge of one speaker there is a small spot that is crushed in (photos 1 and 2). On the other speaker, the front left edge has a small spot that is slightly indented and discolored (photos 3 and 4) and the rear right edge has a small spot that is crushed in even worse (photos 5 and 6).
Upon closer inspection of the boxes the speakers came in, I see that the edges corresponding to the damaged areas have indeed been crushed in. And since there was no styrofoam packing along the edges (only top and bottom caps), that damage was transferred directly to the speaker edges.
Now I'm not sure what to do. On the one hand, the damage is minor and only one of the three spots is visible when the speakers are set against the wall, and I'm not crazy about the idea of sending them back only to find similar or even worse damage on the speakers they send me next. On the other hand, I paid for brand new speakers and I shouldn't have to accept and live with any kind of damage. I also don't like the idea of allowing Klipsch to get away with the incredibly asinine practice of shipping their speakers without any styrofoam or cardboard packing along the vulnerable edges.
What would you guys do?
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1 minute ago, MookieStl said:
I have a slightly older NAD C356BEE integrated amp that delivers 80 wpc. I have driven my Heresy I's with it without ever wishing I had more power. I currently drive a set of Belles and a set of RB 61s with it and can shake the house. Living in a condo and listening at moderate levels, you will have plenty of power. Extra watts are never wasted either, but you could probably do a lot of good with the money you would save.
Thanks, good to hear. And that's my thinking exactly... the $700 I will save by going with the 80 wpc C368 is not chump change to me. And with the C368's pre-outs, I can always expand to a more powerful amp or a tube amp sometime in the future (budget willing).
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28 minutes ago, pallpoul said:
Ironman, get separate pre amp with all the digital inputs, bell's and wifi/bluetooth whistles you want/need, then use the tube amp/integrated amp, behind it. Your ears will thank you later.
It has been my experience with all Heritage Klipsch speakers that tubes, is the best way to go, seems to me this line was made for tubes.
I also use a Cary Audio CAD-120s MK II tube amp with my La Scala II's, and to my ears: It sounds so much better then many high end SS amplifiers, costing 1 to 5 k, I have tried, although it is rated at lower wpc. I also use the Cary Audio DAC and Pre-Amp. (DAC 200ts & SL-100) in the same setting.
The truth is that is likely WAY beyond what I can spend right now. But I can afford the C368 now, and maybe later I can get a tube amp and use the C368 as my DAC/pre-amp.
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11 minutes ago, pallpoul said:
I drive my Heresy's III with an integrated MP-501 MK-V Tube amp ( kt-120's, 55wpc) and their is NO substitute to that beautiful silky sound of tubes with all heritage Klipsch speakers. ....
I have tried many excellent SS amps, 100-300 wps, and that sound was never the same.
Go tube ironman !
I would, except that I really want the ability to play music from iTunes, and the C368 has optical inputs, built in Bluetooth and the ability to add wifi connectivity. Maybe at some point I can use the preouts on the C368 to add a tube amp to drive my Heresy's.
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I think I will save the $700 and go with the C368.
Thanks to everyone for all your advice!
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10 minutes ago, geoff. said:
I don’t own, nor have I ever heard Heresy 3’s.
I do own Heresy 2’s, again! They were so nice I bought them twice! lol
Most amazing “small” speaker I have ever heard.
I am amazed at the quality of bass from the Heresy 2’s.
What amp (and power) do you use to drive your Heresy 2's?
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7 minutes ago, geoff. said:
I do.
I may even go back to bridging my C372’s.
I had the 120 watt version of the C372 years ago, the C370.
Sold it to a guy who had the 80 watt version, the C352.
He texted me a week later to tell me how much better the bass was on his PSB Image something-or-rathers...! Image 5t’s maybe?
I guess that is a definite plus, considering that I also keep reading that the Heresy III's are light on bass. But since the C388 costs $700 more than the C368, I have to decide if that better sound is worth that much.
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8 minutes ago, geoff. said:
There is no replacement for displacement.
You may not ever turn the volume past 9 o’clock, but the woofers will know what to do with the extra horsepower. Tight and deep.
I have owned half a dozen lesser NAD amps over the years. NONE of them sounded as good as the one(s) I kept.
So do you think the C388 would sound better than the C368, at the same volume?
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5 minutes ago, willland said:
One thing also you can consider is that the C368 has stereo preouts if you felt you "needed" more power in the future. Quality wattage is cheap on the used market.
Would connecting an additional amp via the preouts add to the C368's 80 watts, or would it replace them?
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Yesterday I finally pulled the trigger on a pair of Heresy III's, and now I am in search of a good stereo amp to drive them. I think I have it narrowed down to the NAD C368 and its big brother the NAD C388...
NAD C368: 80 Watts RMS per channel
Total Harmonic Distortion 0.03%
NAD C388: 150 Watts RMS per channel
Total Harmonic Distortion 0.009%
In all other respects (other than physical size and price), the two amps are identical. I live in a small condominium, and have no need (or desire) to play music at high volumes. I am interested in sound quality at low to moderate volumes.
Which amp is the better choice?
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23 minutes ago, Westcoastdrums said:
I am not a cable naysayer, but I don't believe in multi thousand dollar cables either. A quality set of speakers IMO can benefit from a reasonably priced set of quality cables
Agree totally about cables. There is no doubt that the use of higher quality cables results in improved speaker performance, but for real-world purposes the point of diminishing returns is heavily skewed toward the cheaper end. A $100 cable may be worth the money. A $1000 cable most certainly is not.
But to my original topic, I believe that bi-wiring speakers that are driven by a single amp is 100% snake oil.
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14 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said:
I am suggesting that many here believe anything but the cheapest (insert whatever) is overkill and that includes wire and electronics. I have heard what good cable can do for a system, as well as good electronics.
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread, which is whether or not bi-amping and bi-wiring make a discernible, significant difference in speaker output. Concluding that they don't does not equate to believing that anything but the cheapest (insert whatever) is overkill.
14 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said:BTW, if you already knew the answer, why even ask the question?
I stated in my opening post that "I would like some more opinions" on whether or not bi-wiring a Heresy III results in discernibly improved sound. Pretty clear, don't you think?
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3 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said:
Wire = wire
All amps sound the same
All CD players sound the same
No tweaks allowed
ok, did I miss anything, disciples?
Shakey
You are suggesting that because amps and CD players are not all equal, it follows that bi-amping and bi-wiring speakers results in improvement of output.
You sure you want to stick with that?
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I'm no expert, but intuitively I agree that using a bi-wire cable should make no significant difference, especially when it runs from a single amplifier (two leads) to a bi-amped speaker (four leads). Maybe when using two separate amplifiers and two separate cables to feed the bi-amped speaker, it would make more of a difference, IDK.
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There was a short thread on this a few years ago, but I would like some more opinions...
For those who have the Heresy III's, do you have them hooked up bi-wired or just with regular wire/cable keeping the jumpers in place? Does it make any discernible difference?
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Thanks for the input guys, very helpful. One more thing..... a seller on eBay is currently offering the Heresy III's for $1250 in unfinished ash veneer. They are new, and according to the seller are from a special batch that were originally intended for commercial use in Chipotle restaurants. They have no grills and no risers. I can easily improvise or make my own risers, but do you think I will have trouble finding a set of grills?
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3 minutes ago, twk123 said:
You should have no problem running that AVR with the Heresy III's. I checked the specs and that AVR has pre-outs so if you ever want to get into a dedicated amp like a tube amp etc, you can still use your AVR to process the bluetooth and act as a pre-amp then run the line level signal to whatever amp you choose down the road.
Thanks. Also, what is your opinion on the Heresy III's in a relatively small condo space (open living room/kitchen, about 16' x 20')? Do you think they would be overkill? I would rarely be cranking them up, listening mostly at moderate to lower volumes. I am more interested in hearing detail than high volume, and am also considering a pair of The Sixes as an alternative.
New Heresy III speakers arrived damaged... WWYD?
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The cardboard boxes that my Heresy III's were shipped in may meet the minimum requirement. The internal packing absolutely does not. And in any case, it's beside the point, which is that it would cost Klipsch next to nothing to add four long angled styrofoam pieces to protect the edges of their speakers. That alone would eliminate the overwhelming majority of damage incidences. One would think that Klipsch would have an interest in adequately protecting the speakers they take so much pride in manufacturing.