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On 10/8/2018 at 3:57 PM, isotopesope said:
does the distortion appear when listening to headphones plugged into the Denon?
I don't have a 1/4 adapter to use the headphone jack.
On 10/8/2018 at 9:59 PM, lakedmb said:Where are you located roughly? Like someone mentioned earlier, one of us may be willing to let you borrow a receiver to see if that’s the problem if you are local.
I might have a spare one to use this weekend...if not, I'll let you guys know. I'm preparing to send this in for repair as Denon created an RMA for it.
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On 10/6/2018 at 11:08 PM, CoryGillmore said:
I know you mentioned it I think but have you tried hooking up the speaker while bypassing the speaker wire plate and in wall wire? You don’t know what’s going on inside that wall so try plugging your speaker directly into the receiver. It doesn’t surprise me that whatever issue is being amplified by the Klipsch speakers, which are famously efficient and sensitive. It wouldn’t surprise me if some speaker wire is cross polaritied (is that a word?) inside that wall.
All of my testing was done with a single cable plugged directly from the speaker to any of my 3 front speakers, 1 at a time (including using a new cable that didn't have any banana plugs on it). The other 4 speakers were through the wall plate, but at this point, I think we can eliminate the wall plate and speaker cables as the issue.
On 10/7/2018 at 12:14 PM, YK Thom said:It is not unknown for the odd receiver to have an HDMI board problem. The RCA cable idea might bear fruit.
I did use an optical out to test with today and had the same problem. I don't have any RCA converters or anyway to test this way yet, still looking.
Denon has yet to respond to my support request, think I'm going to have to call them.
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16 hours ago, Ceptorman said:
Another AVR might explain a lot.
Yes, he definitely seems thorough and patient.
Haha. Been in IT for 15 years, so troubleshooting isn't a problem and is second nature.
4 hours ago, smallsmx3 said:What guage speaker cable are you using
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14 Gauge wire.
15 hours ago, wvu80 said:The sound I heard was clear distortion and not an Audyssey problem.
I know you used different HDMI connectors in the AVR from the PS4. Have you considered using an RCA cable? The purpose would be to bypass the HDMI board.
I know it's a long shot and I don't think that's the problem but I'm out of ideas.
Let me see if I have some type of converter.
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19 minutes ago, Ceptorman said:
You need a different AVR or receiver to connect your speakers to. Post your location, maybe someone on here can help with a different power source, or take one of your speakers for someone to try. Are the speakers or AVR still under warranty?
All 7 speakers are brand new...I highly doubt all 7 are bad, they would have all come from different batches and some from different vendors. The AVR is only a year old, so it still has two years of a warranty left. I might be able to get another AVR to test next weekend.
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16 minutes ago, garyrc said:
Audyssey has 2 EQ options:
- "Plain old Audyssey" often called Audyssey, or Audyssey Reference. This option rolls off the treble and might cause a lack of crispness. It puts in a frequency dip at about 2,500 Hz, then returns to flat, and starts rolling off again at about 7 K Hz, is at - 2 dB at 10K Hz and - 6 dB at 20K Hz. On some AVRs and AVPs this is the default setting, so you may be using it without knowing it. Also, the DEQ is default on some Audyssey equipped, and, IMO, it muddies up the sound.
- Audyssey Flat provides flat frequency response from 20 to 20K Hz. I prefer it on my Klipchorns with a Belle Klipsch center with most movies and most music.
Here are what may be the best Audyssey sources of information:
"Audyssey FAQ Linked Here"
Guide to Subwoofer Calibration and Bass PreferencesI'll look into this too, but I had tested the flat setting at one point or another. Right now I'm defaulted with everything off (didn't re-run Audyssey), so it would be whatever default settings are when it's shut off and not run.
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8 minutes ago, Ceptorman said:
Sounds like it's inside the AVR then. These problems can be frustrating.
I'm heavily starting to lean towards this as well unfortunately...
It's still under warranty, but I have no idea how Denon is on their service and turn around.
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16 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
Your testing methods sound thorough and systematic. My conclusion after all that would be bad speakers, except I can't wrap my head around that. Three bad speakers? It sounds unlikely.
We get hundreds of comments from people who have the same speakers and none report the distortion I clearly heard on your recording, which of course is un-listenable and unacceptable. So what am I missing?
It's a stretch but if the AVR was bad it could be the cheaper speakers aren't playing the distortion and the highly sensitive Klipsch speakers are, but that's kind of a long shot.
Is there any way you can test the speakers on someone else's AVR or even a simple receiver with an FM source? If the speakers sounded bad on a different amp I would have to conclude the speakers are the problem.
I'm going to listen to your video again. It's such a specific distortion, I wish we had someone more familiar with such things to listen and try to pinpoint the cause.
Break-in: I didn't address the speaker break-in issue but I don't think that's the problem. I've heard speakers with pro woofers which were very stiff when new that sounded bad and then loosened up with playing, but there was no distortion, it was just a thin sounding bass. Tweeters also can also need some breaking in but they should loosen up with just a couple of listening sessions. I just wanted to mention that.
I tested with a few more cheap speakers, I can clearly hear it on them as well. I actually have 7 brand new klipsch speakers in my system, so I highly doubt it's them. Unfortunately I just gave away both my old receivers thinking I'd never need them again.
6 minutes ago, Ceptorman said:I know someone mentioned jumpers earlier, and I know that's the first thing that the OP probably checked, but was it confirmed that the speakers were properly wired?
I'm testing with a single cable and single speaker right now. I also tested using a new wire between the speaker and avr.
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3 hours ago, wvu80 said:
I clearly hear the distortion. IMO it's NOT:
- Audyssey
- Speaker
- A lack of power
- Room
- Break-in
It sounds like there is something between the source and the AVR introducing distortion. Your speakers are playing exactly the signal they are being fed. Some back-to-the basics troubleshooting is needed to find the problem.
Minimize your system and work with a single speaker. Disconnect all other speakers.
Double check your speaker wires to make sure there are no loose wires touching each other
Find a source that you know works. Don't use your Iphone, don't use Spotify (or whatever) and don't use Bluetooth. Start with a quality CD player with a CD that you know works. You might use the FM tuner as a source if you don't have access to a CD player or turntable.
If you can hook up another AVR or receiver that will help eliminate the AVR as a variable.
My guess is it's going to be the source or Bluetooth.
I feel very sure you can find the source of the problem. It will just take some patience and some work. Those Klipsch speakers ought to sound outstanding, crystal clear with NO distortion at normal SPL.
Sorry for the quick second reply, but it was bugging me so I did some testing. I factory reset my Denon. Removed all inputs except the one to the PS4 including my ARC output. Plugged in a single speaker using a new wire, same issue. Tried a different input, tried a different speaker, used a different speaker cable without banana plugs, and used a new HDMI cable as well as tested using a different source...issue still followed.
Hooking up the el cheapo speaker, and while they sound like shit, it doesn't have this issue. Yet, it follows every single klipsch speaker I have. Here is the cheap one:
https://www.cnet.com/products/panasonic-sc-pt960/specs/
I'm not sure what else to do/try?
EDIT - Maybe I do very slightly hear it on the cheap speaker as well. Maybe they were so shitty that it wasn't as noticeable as it is on the better speakers. AVR problem?
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2 hours ago, wvu80 said:
I clearly hear the distortion. IMO it's NOT:
- Audyssey
- Speaker
- A lack of power
- Room
- Break-in
It sounds like there is something between the source and the AVR introducing distortion. Your speakers are playing exactly the signal they are being fed. Some back-to-the basics troubleshooting is needed to find the problem.
Minimize your system and work with a single speaker. Disconnect all other speakers.
Double check your speaker wires to make sure there are no loose wires touching each other
Find a source that you know works. Don't use your Iphone, don't use Spotify (or whatever) and don't use Bluetooth. Start with a quality CD player with a CD that you know works. You might use the FM tuner as a source if you don't have access to a CD player or turntable.
If you can hook up another AVR or receiver that will help eliminate the AVR as a variable.
My guess is it's going to be the source or Bluetooth.
I feel very sure you can find the source of the problem. It will just take some patience and some work. Those Klipsch speakers ought to sound outstanding, crystal clear with NO distortion at normal SPL.
Thanks for the reply. It currently happens with all sources, the PS4 is just the most noticeable. This was a PS4, audio is through a single HDMI cable from the PS4 to the receiver which I will swap out and use as my test. I'm going to work on disconnecting all sources and speakers and try one at a time...Might be a few days before I can report back.
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So I tried to reset the speaker config to default, and shut off any and all EQ's that I could find in the config. Unfortunately, the issue still persisted. I re-ran the Audyssey setup, and no change their either. I do notice that the issue is worse at higher volume levels (note that its very noticeable at a normal listening level). I'm not positive it's just the highs anymore, but that's when I notice and can hear it the most. The best way is to say it's not crisp, almost a buzz on the notes...it's hard to explain and i'm having a tough time trying to find examples? Other things I have tried:
* I have moved the receiver to it's own source power away from the rest of the entertainment center.
* I unplugged all speakers from the wall plate including my subwoofer (my speakers go from the receiver to the wall plate, then out to each speaker) and plugged them in one at a time, and the issue followed every speaker. I didn't unplug them directly from the back of the receiver since it's hard to get too, but I can do this if someone thinks that's needed as well.
* I tried to shut off all channels and turn them on one by one (l/r, center, sub, rear surround, top surround) and no change.
I included a video so that maybe it'll make it more clear what I mean (near the end of the video is the best example), although of course it's not as easy to tell as in person. I had the volume up louder than normal, as it's easier to hear that way:
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Thanks for the replies so far.
My room is fairly open. Size is roughly 20x20 with 8 foot ceilings. There isn't much actually in the way for furniture right now, so there is the potential for some type of echo in the room. My HT area sits in about 10x10 of this room (living room) and the other space is open.
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Hello all,
This is my first post and the first time trying to explain this, so please go easy on me. I just got a new set of klipsch speakers setup in my home, and to me they don't sound "crisp" at anything on the high end/frequency. So mainly this would be dialog, and appears to happen across all my speakers, not just the center (I can hear the same problem when something is in stereo). It's almost as if there is a slight muffle or buzz to the sound when someone is talking. No issues on the low end or with bass. Here is my setup:
RP-280F
RC-62ii
R14M
R-2650-Cii
R10SW
Denon X1300W
So I know off-hand that my receiver is not fully up to par on the speakers. I originally had this hooked up to some cheaper speakers from a home theater in a box setup, and while the sound was lacking, I didn't have problem with dialog or what I'm seeing with the Klipsch. My question is, is it the receiver that could be causing these issues because they are not able to produce enough wattage? I notice the issue no matter what volume level they are set at. I have ran the Audyssey setup, as well as tried to manually adjust the speakers but nothing seems to help.
Any suggestions?
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New Set of Klipsch speakers, not "crisp" at high frequencies
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Just wanted to update this in case anyone else runs into this type of issue. It turns out it was the receiver itself causing the issues. I ended up getting a Denon X4400H receiver, and I'm happy to say I no longer have this problem. Speakers now sound amazing!