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6 hours ago, jimjimbo said:
Forget the Cornwalls, buy the La Scalas.
5 hours ago, Marvel said:Cornwalls are a large ported box... the LaScalas would certainly be better in your room, and to me, have a very distinctive look.
Bruce
1 hour ago, Dave A said:I agree. Cornwalls have more bass but the La Scalas have everything else in far greater measure. I would RUN from that big boomy box.
Good. I would have trouble getting excited looking at them. : )
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17 hours ago, wvu80 said:
You are actually in a unique position to take advantage of the wisdom and experience of the Klipsch collective.
Most beginning speaker buyers purchase speakers on (low) price alone, then don't like the sound and get the next step up, eventually going to the mid-tier offering. Those get sold and the Buyer has to sell the old stuff to buy the speakers he wanted in the first place, but just didn't know it. It's expensive to buy/sell speakers.
You can skip the learning curve and go directly to the head of the class if you trust what others here ^^^ are saying.
My opinion from a financial perspective having carefully watched Heritage prices for a few years now that the LS for $1200 is a really good price for CA. At the very least if you don't like the speakers you can sell them for what you have in them, and probably even make a little profit to fund whatever it is you think would be better for your listening room.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Thank you. That helps make me feel more confident.
16 hours ago, Dave A said:Start a new thread asking for Klipsch owners to let you hear their setup and if you don't get immediate results bump the thread every week or so until you do.
Good idea. I may do that.
8 hours ago, garyrc said:@ajbarickman
I don't think your vaulted ceiling will cause any problems. Most of the ones that are problematic are somewhat concave, focusing the sound (which is not desirable). Yours doesn't appear to be, from the picture. Non-parallel surfaces can be helpful. The open floor plan is another story. It may make it harder to pressurize the room with bass. If it turns out to be a problem, post again, addressing it, and somebody will have suggestions. If there is a counter, pass-thru, etc. dividing one area from another, making the pony wall under the counter more rigid may or may not help. Multiple subs, placed against separate walls might help. The following guide by my friend Mike might help:
GUIDE TO SUBWOOFER CALIBRATION AND BASS PREFERENCES
* The Guide linked above is a comprehensive guide to Audio & HT systems, including:
Speaker placements & Room treatments; HT calibration & Room EQ; Room gain; Bass
Preferences; Subwoofer Buyer's Guide: Sealed/ported; ID subs; Subwoofer placement.Good info. Thanks
I also found that the same guy has Cornwall’s available for $50 more than the La Scalas. They look to be in good shape also.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2201582860169918/
Thoughts on the difference between the two. To be honest I am totally uninspired by the look of the Cornwall’s but I know little about them.
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1 hour ago, glens said:
Yep, in a heartbeat, if it ain't too late already! That's the best solution so far discussed in this thread.
I did reach out to the owner of the add for the La Scalas. We shall see.
54 minutes ago, Dave A said:My suggestion would be to seek owners through this forum or another one perhaps Audiogon.
That would be awesome. Does anybody know anyone in the Sacramento area willing to welcome me?
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1 minute ago, HPower said:
What I would do...
LOL. That's awesome
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Just bought an A-300. Would you see the PT-100 separately?
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10 hours ago, garyrc said:
I don't have experience with the speakers you list, but I'm guessing you want something that can move more air than those.
La Scala II has the reputation of having better bass than La Scala I, possibly because of the thicker wood used, which provides some damping of resonance. At times La Scala has sounded harsh to me, and fine at others. While both the I & II have clean, tight bass, the bass rolls off below about 60 Hz. The Klipschorn goes to 35 Hz (usable -- to use JBL's term -- to about 25 Hz, but very, very rolled off down there). The Jubilee is somewhat better, although the specs may not show it. IMO, both are better balanced than La Scala I or, probably, II.
Almost all speakers will have more bass when against a wall, and even more in a corner. Even the new Klipschorns need to be within a few inches of a corner, but, thanks to enclosed backs, they can be toed-in, unlike the older models. The Jubilee, also, should be near a corner. It's a matter of bass, which you will want for your impact and dynamics!
Ideally, should you win the lottery, a horn subwoofer should be added to any of these, crossed over at 40, 50, or 60Hz. DIY ones aren't too expensive. The Klipschorn and Jubilee don't need it for music, but do for the ideal home theater. Google horn subwoofers. They need to be big to go down low. Their strong point is clean bass. IMO, a regular subwoofer, that isn't a horn, will sound a little muddier, as does my RSW 15. I should have buried a DIY horn in the basement, and let it speak out of a grille in the wall or floor. My Klipschorns have a much tighter, snappier attack. I really considered the subterranean horn woofer. Here is what one guy did, in his basement:
Thanks for the info! Damn now that dude is fully committed. Crazy. I have posted some pictures of my room. I am not sure I actually have enough room for K-horns.
6 hours ago, Dave A said:You can find local users and go listen before you buy anything and know what you like best which is better than us telling you what we like best. See what fits your room and your budget first and then buy. I don't see room size in feet so large in your eyes may differ from mine. Define your space. The better pro gear is awesome WAY beyond vintage if you can handle it. Large room speakers to some of us means an old set of MCM 1900's which cant be beat. You have to hear a set to believe it. I see KPT-942's and KPT-904's pop up out there on occasion and those are also spectacular. La Scalas make at the very least great starter speakers that many stay with for a lifetime and you can't go wrong with a set of those. With vintage gear if you don't like it over time you generally can get most or even more than what you spent back out to spend towards something different.
8" woofers in anything would not satisfy me. Don't make the mistake of creeping up the speaker food chain when you can go listen first and buy big enough to begin with this time.
Yes, large is relative. I have attached some pictures. It's not so much a giant room width and height wise but just a lot of volume and connects to the kitchen as well as up the stairs.
Unfortunately, I don't have a dealer in town that I have been able to hear them. I agree that hearing them is the way to go. Magnolia nor Frey's has them set up in their listening rooms and then there is a high-end dealer but they only do Heritage.
4 hours ago, Shakeydeal said:To be honest, you are starting from a bad place with vaulted ceilings and an open floor plan. Not ideal for good sound. Can it be done? Sure. But all other things being equal, an enclosed room with 8-10 ft. ceilings will return better sound.
That said, if you have two good corners, there is no reason not to go with a klipschorn. Or as mentioned above, at least a Lascala and sub(s).
Another suggestion is to dump that AVR as a preamp and get something better. A good preamp can make a huge improvement.
Shakey
I learned this lesson in car audio. In my last house, I had a moderate size bedroom with good shape and dimensions and it sounded incredible. Large space is relative. I don't think I have room for K-horns.
4 hours ago, mr clean said:Rp280F can still be found at great prices and love mine. Listening to mine right now.
I have been looking for some of those used. So far no luck.
3 hours ago, Ceptorman said:The RF-7 series is a pretty good step up from the RP-8000f, and the 820f is a step back from the 8000f. The RF7-ll is a little more refined than the RF7-1, it has slightly better high end. Just curious, is $1200 the budget you're wanting to keep it within?
Thanks for the info. In what ways is the 820 a step back? Refinement? Output? I could stretch to $1200.
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Does anyone have input on my original direction? RP-8000F vs R-820F vs used RF-7 I or II
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4 hours ago, HDBRbuilder said:
IMHO, audio-wise, Worst case scenario with LaScalas is that you may want to add a Sub-woofer for use with them...depending on the size of the wife's smiles as she boogies around the room vacuuming!😉 The really HUGE advantage of having older LaScalas is being able to move them outside for parties...caveat: It is MUCH easier to have a conversation BEHIND them, instead of in front of them, without getting hoarse doing it!!😂 Another advantage is HOW COOL your amp will run! Very few watts are needed!
I am quite sure that my neighbors would kick me out of the neighborhood if I rolled them into my backyard. I am already worried about playing them at the level I expect with the windows open. : )
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5 hours ago, wvu80 said:
Used Heritage speakers such as La Scala and Klipschorn (Khorns) are a tremendous audio bang-for-the-buck. They have held up very well over time. I have owned both. FYI both are now gone due to low WAF.
If you list your location we have forum members who are amazing at finding deals.
Welcome to the Klipsch Forums. If you are a Klipsch fan, you've come to the right place.
Here is my Heritage Prices spreadsheet, good for research. Run your mouse over any cell with a red triangle to see my detailed notes on condition, location, etc.
Thank you sir! A very useful spreadsheet there. I appreciate it.
BTW I live in Folsom which is a suburb of Sacramento CA. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to add that to my profile. I see no option available. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Here are the La Scala's that I saw. https://sacramento.craigslist.org/ele/d/meadow-vista-klipsch-la-scala/6851198913.html Thoughts on them? What do I need to ask/know/understand about them? The cabinets look good in these pictures. Well, I should say in good shape. I am not a fan of the old plywood look.
Do La Scalas need to be set out off the wall or with the folder horn is that not that important?
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2 hours ago, Ceptorman said:
The RP-8000 are getting wonderful reviews....https://www.audioholics.com/tower-speaker-reviews/klipsch-rp-8000f
That is a good review, thanks for sharing it. I have heard similar things in reviews about the RP-600M's which is that they are a lot more refined than folks anticipate.
1 hour ago, Peter P. said:1. You're already a Klipsch fan.
2. You have a large space to fill, and have the room for a large speaker-lucky you.
3. You like dynamics and impact.
Get the LaScala's and try hard to wipe the smile off your face.
I am so tempted but worried about buying 40+ year-old speakers? Have you heard them? How would you describe their sound?
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I am looking for advice on floor standing speakers. For background, my current system consists of a Denon AVR as pre-amp into a mini-DSP into Emotiva A-300 amplifier (150w/channel). My speakers are KEF Q350's with an HSU Research STF-1 subwoofer. My room is very large with a high vaulted ceiling and the living room open into my kitchen. I have a good amount of floor space and can get the speakers a couple of feet off the wall. My current setup sounds very good but based on the size of the room does not have the impact and dynamics I would like.
I would like to buy some floor standers with 8-inch drivers. So I need some advice on RP-8000F vs R-820F vs used RF-7 I or II maybe depending on price. Of course, I would like to pay 820F prices but can stretch depending on what I hear. This means if I hear the advice that says definitely go with x over y I can expand my budget by saving a bit longer. These are the speakers that I THINK I want but I am very open to other advice as well. For instance, should I be looking at used La Scala's? There is a pair (late 70s unmodified) for sale near me for $1200 at the moment.
To help with advice I will describe as best I can what I like. I have been a long time fan of Klipsch. My father had Forte's 30 years ago and I had KG-4s. I loved them both but it has been a really long time since I have heard either. I currently have a pair of R-15M's in my closet which I like but don't have a good use for at the moment. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on car audio over the years and have found that dynamics and impact are what really light my fire. I enjoy a forward sound with emphasized but controlled bass. I don't mind a bright top end and prefer it to a very laid back top end.
Thank you in advance for any guidance.
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Large room speaker advice
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I certainly understand the point is sound BUT since they will be the most dominant visual element in my living room I am sensitive to how they look.