avman Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 my upgrade to my 777ES receiver has incorporated the capability of decoding and simulating a center rear speaker in my ht setup. called 'virtual matrix 6.1' it decodes the center rear info and 'simulates' a center rear (quite convincingly,although i haven't a/b'd it w/an actual center rear.) i've also been told that it will do same for 5.1 when rear content dictates.(must test on different 5.1 titles). ???'s: 1.do you prefer matrixing a center rear w/5.1 material 2.have you tried 5.1 vs.6.1 decoding on 6.1 encoded material 3.i find music(concerts)sound better w/5.1 vs.6.1 or7.1 4. i CAN add an ACTUAL center rear if i wish(using an old ES pro-log receiver's center ch.out, w/left and right surr.line out into l,r line in on pro-log rcvr).since my room is 12' wide and 23'deep, how much difference will it make? avman. ------------------ 1-pair klf 30's c-7 center (looking for 1-m.o.klf-20) ksps-6 surrounds RSW-15 sony strda-777ES receiver upgraded to v.2.02 including virtual matrix 6.1 sony playstation 2 sony dvpnc 650-v 5-disc dvd/cd/SACD changer dishnetwork model 6000 HD sat rcvr w/digital off-air tuner sony kv36xbr450 high-definition 4:3 tv sharp xv-z1u lcd projector w/84" 4:3 sharp screen Bello'international Italian-made a/v furniture panamax max dbs+5 surge protector/power conditioner monster cable and nxg interconnects/12 gua.speaker wire Natuzzi red leather furniture set KLIPSCH-So Good It Hz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 av, don't use a simulated, but do use the actual rear center - C7. don't have dts es 6.1 discrete yet in the pre/pro, so everything is matrixed in the rear center from stereo to prologic to dolby ex or dts es. i think you'll find the same as w/ a front center. if you're not right on axis w/ it, won't have as nice an effect as an actual speak there. i highly recommend one. but do you get a c7 or a ksp C6? hmmm... ------------------ My Home Systems Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 boa-you are matrixing EVERYTHING you listen to into 6.1?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 yea mostly. either the material is already matrixed like dolby ex & dts es matrix, or the processor does the center matrixing. same as the front center - everything is matrixed to it except for material that has a front center channel like 3.0/3.1-5.0/5.1. rarely, i'll go & play 2-channel stuff w/ just the mains & sub. same thing w/ the rear center. unless its dts es 6.1 discrete, the rear center is always matrixed one way or the other. ------------------ My Home Systems Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 i listened to 'seven bridges road' on a 7.1 rig and the rear 'spread' sounded really bad (jmo) vs. the 5.1 playback. what is your take on music specifically in 6.1(i know-you play everything in 6.1, but i'm digging) avman. ------------------ (looking for 1-m.o.klf-20) KLIPSCH-So Good It Hz! This message has been edited by avman on 07-12-2002 at 12:31 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillips Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I leave my system in forced matrix 6.1 all the time. Unless it's dts es discret, it's matrix. I just prefer the added fill it gives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 hey steve!!glad to see you stepped off of 'mondail mountain'to come visit us! c'mon guys! if it weren't for dvd concerts-i'd probably NEVER listen to music in surround...i listen to 97% of 2-ch in a.f.d. try eagles hfo 7 bridges road and let me know. avman. ------------------ This message has been edited by avman on 07-12-2002 at 02:01 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 yea, like stevep here too. for music, i just like to be totally wrapped in sound like in a studio, albeit 6.1 or 2-channel music. ------------------ My Home Systems Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillips Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I guess I should add that I like DVD concerts, if they are mixed right in 6.1. For 2 channel music I go with just 2 channel, Direct. I like the"being there" you get with 6.1, but only with a live performance. avman, before I got my 3801, I used a Denon 2800 and fed my older Denon AVR 2000 prologic from the rear outs.Set the pro to 3 channel logic and it did a very good job at matrixed 6.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 thanks again for the replys-going to fla. to do an install-being put up in a bed-n-breakfast-1blk.from the gulf...jobs like this saturday help make up for the rat sh**-filled attics-rollin'in fiberglas-in-the-summer-heat-jobs! must..find..time..to..tweak!! avman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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