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The way the math equation works here is that the effect of burn-in for new speaker cable is directly (and uniquely) proportional to how long its been since they were new and different than what you had before. At first you know they are new and different because you just bought them and installed them. As time progresses you should notice a difference in their newness and difference from what was there before (including no cables at all if it is the first installation of the system) which will be exactly measured by how long it has been. This is burn-in.
The longer they burn in the more you will perceive that time has elapsed since they were new and different and that, my friend, is the effect of the burn-in in a nuts shell, and it is a comforting feeling, usually, like a pair of old slippers. With enough burn-in you hardly think about when they were new and different than what went before them. Eventually, given enough time, burn-in can become burn-out and at that point you put them in the recycling bin for scrap. Slippers you just throw away.
You could also throw the cables away too or use them to tie up things, kind of like when they used to make baling wire, now they just tie hay bales up with plastic rope, echh!
So, to review, for myself as well, the more the wire burns in, the more you notice they are not new anymore and you can hardly remember what you had before. The way they sound now will always be different than the way they sounded before because that was then and now is now, depending on your mood and general state of mind.
If you are agitated and not at peace with yourself, burn-in can seem to be a downhill slide, and you feel like everything was better before and now everything is f#@ked . Then the next day, if all goes well and your memory is sieve-like, you will swear they are the best cables ever and that burn-in is directly proportional to "better", in which case the math involved is that the elapsed time of the burn-in is directly proportional to how much you are not being able to tell how long it has been, which is a good thing actually.
There is a complex relationship between burn-in and "getting used to it", although not strictly a direct-proportional relationship because of other variables in the equation, not least of which is how much you can get for them at the scrap yard, which means, in other words, related to the price of copper, I told you it was complicated, and we all know how complex the study of economics can be with its screwy equations, so you have to add this into the audio equations as well, that, and the psychological effects of these various academic pursuits and just how and why they might apply to our everyday lives, if you know what I mean.
That could have been a good place to stop, but I just remembered another important factor, also directly proportional to burn-in time, and that is amortizing the dent in your pocket-book (eg. the price of the cables). Simply put, each day of burn-in is directly proportional to another day later and, no, not deeper in debt as Tennesse Ernie would say, but rather less guilty about having spent your hard earned cash just because of some hype you were convinced about when you got them, ie. inversely proportional to buyer's remorse. Eventually the most ridiculous expenditure can be forgotten about along with the ex-wife.
In actuality, the time-heals-all-wounded-pocket-book phenomenon is inversely proportional to the square of the burn-in time measured relativistically as a spatial dimension. "That was ages ago (miles down the road)...."I forgot how much I paid"...."I don't think it was very much", "they were much less than the retail price, it was a deal I couldn't pass up" "they don't even make them like this anymore, the ones they make now are crap by comparison" "I was lucky to buy them then" "glad I don't have to buy them today" and "mine are finally really really really burned-in and real nice!" is the script you need to memorize for that situation. Let your friends drool and resort to buying NOS on eBay to even get close, and theirs will not have all that burn-in time, it will take them years, and by then then yours will be even more burned-in, they will never catch up....heh heh heh.
Remember, there are vacuum tube collectors who will pay for cool looking old tubes that are burned out, so go ahead, buy those really high priced cables because after they are burned-in and you have enjoyed the experience of burn-in (eg. forgetting when you got them and exactly how much you did pay), you can sell the burned-out cables to, by then I suspect, a "cable collector" who might want to have them in a display case: "burned out $10K audiophile cables and the date"..... This could get you way more than the price of the scap metal for sure.
oops --- got to go back to procrastinating.....
-Nodal Drench Pips (yes, rearrange the letters to "get clipped and shorn".....believe it or not...)
PS. I do agree with a previous poster that you should play the music you have and like through the cables when burning in the cables.This can get advanced, say, if you want your classical to sound funky or your country to be jazzy etc. Knowing what to play and when while burning-in is a delicate art. Many have ruined cables during burn-in by playing the wrong music at the wrong time. It's hard to explain, but be careful when playing bachelor pad music for questionable reasons. Our own memberfini is an expert at knowing what music to play and at what volumes while burning in cables especiallly when other ears are in the vacinity.
After reading that novel, I have to ask why, on so many fronts.
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You mean my outside ground? If so I think it should be on the outside wall by the breaker box.
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This is my 2nd pair. Sold the 1st set and always thought boy I should have kept those. They are a very good speaker for the layout of cash. I think the stock tweeter is a little bright but some have replaced the stock x-over and tweeter with Crites parts and it is supposed to help. To me they sound similar to the RF7's that I owned.
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Lots of debate on this forum (and others) about cables. How 'bout a cable shoot-out at the Pilgrimage; it would be interesting to challenge boutique cable enthusiasts against those who are happy with lamp cords. I will donate a 50' roll of Wally World 'Yard Master-16/3' for the cause. Double-blind testing rules would have to apply.
Rick
That's a great idea wish I could be there. Try 2 of the same set one new and one with some hours on it.
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TF:
All of my tube amps (ST-70 and Scott 299c) and speakers (Heritage) are not banana plug capable.
This is where the size and type of the spade connectors comes into play. The barrier straps are narrow and the cheap connectors I'm using don't like to be bent, pinched, or re-sized in anyway.
Thanks for the De-Oxit tip. I've used it in the pots on my Scott 299c but never thought of using it with connectors and wiring.
JJ
I use these and they work well on vintage amps
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I have a Denon receiver running as a preamp to a Marantz 5 channel amp. Been using it for years and like it a lot. Most Denon's have pre outs so you can use a receiver as a Pre.
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Yenko Honda is right up the street from me. I drive past the old store and never give any thought to the muscle cars that at one time came out of there.
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Funny, I also just re-glued mine. Had just one small area with movement so I worked it form the inside with new glue and clamps.
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No no one was trying to sell. Here is a link that I used to build my last set and they sound no different than others so....... I guess you are right. The original reason I asked was because I was looking for a logical true reason and at this point I have not had one post even close to any "real proof" or tests. That say just about all I need to know.
Have a look at this link http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/whitelightning/moonshine.html
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Just for the record, I am using home-brew DIY cables and I think they sound great. I also have NIT cables that sound very good.
I have also heard that SOLID CORE ROMEX has merit and it is also cheap. Not to throw in another variable but "skin effect has merit". I just wonder if this is snake oil or based on something real. I wonder what would happen in a blind test.
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1) Go to big box home improvement store
2) Buy sumthin' cheap
3) Listen to music
If you want to impress with looks or you yourself like the looks of something, buy it. Won't sound any different but if you like it buy it!
I understand all that, but, I know a few respectable audio guys that say there is a perceived difference after burn in by comparing 2 sets. Just looking for some scientific thought behind it. Silly me, I would think fresh or new wire would be at its best at that point and only degrade over time but what do I know.
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I have heard others speak about putting 100 plus hours of pink noise to burn in speaker cables for better sound. Is there any truth to this? If so what?
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I know its from the sensitivity of the speaker but is there anyone out there that has DEAD quiet Khorns and tubes?
Absolutely!! Can't hear any tube rush or hum whatsoever with my 2A3 amps (AC on the filaments) & tube preamp as well as tube DAC... My good friend who built my tube amps & pre-amp has an extensive collection of old antique tube radios that are in absolutely mint condition. He services all his gear himself and learned quite a few secrets (grounding techniques, etc.) of establishing incredibly quiet gear at idle along with a scary "jump" factor (DYNAMICS) when needed.
Whoever says it can't be done is mistaken! In fact, my current set-up is quieter than my old SS McIntosh preamp & amplifier combo (& a lot more musical as well)!
My $0.02,
Pete
Now I am jealous! [:'(]
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I thought about buying one but passed a while back. Now I am starting to think with all the bad press maybe I was "wrong".
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I was fishing for small mouth the other day and suddenly a huge Canadian Goose flew right at my head out of nowhere! Once he landed he charged me multiple times wings spread and hissing and snapping his bill. I had to smack it with my rod just to get away. Maybe a nest was near but my oh my are these BIG geese MEAN! My heart was pounding like the cops were chasing me
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Nice fish Harry, sure looks like a small mouth, if it is, then that's make her all the more sweeter. Here's an old picture i've posted before, it's from back on my brother-in-laws ranch near Aguilares, Tx. (about 40 min. east, southeast of Laredo).
I'm relatively new to lake fishing. About 1 year ago I got my first real bass boat (still have the beat-up ole 17ft flat bottom Lowe), before then the only Bass fishing I knew was stock tanks fishing. Lakes are a whole new animal.... same, but different. Fish fight significantly better, but seem much more finiky about taking the lure.
Gilbert, what is the creel limit down there? I am an avid Bass Fisherman and have been for years and taking fish of during the spawn has always been a NO/NO. Catching bass during the spawn has always been a touchy topic ( some say absolutely NO other say its fine ) but that was in light of letting them loose immediately so they could return to the nest to guard it. Here in PA the law does not allow the taking of bass during the whole spawning period.
Not trying to rain on your parade. I also enjoy harvesting Crappie and the occasional Bass but being new to the sport thought I might bring it to your attention.
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PM SENT!
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Came home with a bag full of cheater plugs and "NO GOOD" same as before and I tried every configuration. It seems the emotive needs to have the ground or it sends a hun like you would not believe.
Oh well back to the drawing board!
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Well, I plan on picking up the cheater plugs tonight so, I will let you know if the noise level is lower. I did have a lot less noise with a SS Sony Pre in the front end. Very little hiss.
This erato is a beautiful preamp but I am just wondering if something is out of spec?? I also built my own Transcendant Audio Tube Pre and it has a slight hiss also. I believe however, its the Dynacos they always make noise and have never been quiet since the day I had them rebuilt.
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I am going to go out and buy a few cheater plugs tomorrow and see what I can do. I thought I read somewhere that there is a correct way to wire the chasis together from a common ground?
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I am currently running a new to me emotive Erato preamp, Dynaco MkIII tube amps and SS McIntosh MC2300 to the bass bins. After all my upgrades I can still hear a slight hiss and hum coming from the horns and base bins. I know its from the sensitivity of the speaker but is there anyone out there that has DEAD quiet Khorns and tubes?
Q. How can I test to see how much noise is coming from the amp vs Pre?
Thanks
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The problem seems to have all of a sudden gone away..... weird
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Well, I could but the WAF factor does not like the long orange cord running across the floor to basement. I guess I could cut through the floor and run off another outlet.
Then again, if I am going to go to that much trouble why not put in a new dedicated breaker?
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I have all of my amps and pre amp going into a line conditioner now. Are you saying lift the ground that is in the wall outlet?
Thanks
Comparison of Denon 3800 or 4800 series (or similar receiver) to a preamp for 2ch and 5.1
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Since we are talking I am using a DENON 4800. I was looking a Rotel pre 1098 but did not pull the trigger.