HarleyMo
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I sure hope he sells a pair of these so he can afford to get himself a better camera.
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Anyone see the Classic Album show on VH1 last night. Did DSOTM. Was great. Interviews with the band, old video footage, insight into the marking of the album. Tivo'd it, definetely a keeper.
Harley
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Heres a pic of one of Bobs woofers installed in my DIY Khorn knockoff.
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I put Bobs woofers in my DIY Khorns and they sound great. Bob is great to do business with.
Harley
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Sorry, but I cant concure and I am a huge Floyd fan. Floyd with Roger Waters that is. I bought the dvd based on alot of reccomendations from here and was very disappointed. Gilmore, although he still plays a mean guitar, came across very weak in the vocals. I know hes getting up there in years, but play this dvd and then put in the original dark side of the moon cd. Huge difference. DSOTM and The Wall to me are audio works of art (in there original studio recordings). Not to mention, as with alot of live concerts of older material, the songs music seems to change. I know just about every note of DSOTM and The Wall by heart and it just pains me when the songs are improvised. Im sure they get tired of playing them the same way over and over but the studio versions are the ones you fall in love with. Maybe Gilmore just doesnt like playing Waters material the way it was written. Some of the songs are very good. But over all I give it a C.
** Just My Opinion **
Harley
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Thanks Bill, your too kind. I have the book about PWK sitting open with is pic on the cover on one of the speakers now. Looks very much at home up there. His whole life is an inspiration.
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Bruce, I got it from him also, although I had the speakerlab plans already. I used them combined with planb on the cd to make them look like khorns. The way I looked at the saw purchase was that I wasnt going to be able to do it on my little delta table top saw, and to buy a contractor grade or something like Tom bought before his Belle project would have cost a lot more. Plus even with the better table saw, your still struggling with manhandling a 4x8 or 4x4 sheet of plywood and trying to keep it straight and square, not to mention the angle cuts. This saw made it so easy. I looked at using just a regular circular saw and straightedge, but then you have to worry about offsets clamping it down etc. Plus I found somewhere that had it under $400.
I agree with you on the label Dana. I could never hope to match the quality of Klipsch, hell I just saw the pics of Dtels Cornwall IIIs omg, those were gorgeous. They do amazing work down there. As has been said many times, I didnt do this to save money. Probably spent over 1500 all toll. Could have had a used pair for that, well maybe. It was the challenge, mainly cause so many people said dont even try, its too hard.
Harley
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Im suprised I havent had more comments. Hell, Toms DIY Belle thread was like 15 pages LOL.
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Check out my part 2 thread for more info on the build.
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Well, like I said earlier in the thread. The speakers sound great, I am very happy with what I hear coming out of them and how they turned out cosmetically. I had access to the sound meter and thought I would measure them to see how they compared to factory speakers. The meter during the second measurement was on a tripod 4 foot above the carpeted floor and centered approx 8 feet in front of the speakers. The room has a 12foot vaulted cealing. Im sure the dip is room related.
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Well, Ive tried to get them into the corners as tight as possible and have some foam tube insulation on the tailboard to try to help seal them. Ill check that and see if I can get them to seal better. As for the ptrap, Ive heard of them Ill search the forum and do some research.
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Harley
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Ok, I retested to fix the "technique" problem. I placed the meter on a tripod away from furniture and approx tweeter highth. This is what I got. Sorry Dr Who, I did this before I read your suggestion. Ill do that next.
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Well, I know the room sucks. Its very open, opens up to the kitchen eating area in back and to the left opens to entry way to house, bay window on right. Lots of relections Im sure. Where is the best place to put the meter to get the most accurate reading?
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k55-V spring loaded terminals. K400 horn. Crossover is an ALK. They actually sound Very Good. I wanted to do the curve just for the heck of it, not cause they were sounding bad.
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Harley
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This is a curve from my diy khorns. Since Im not much of an audio engineer, Im wondering how bad this really is. I know there can be alot of things that factor into the curve. Room size, shape, sound deadening etc. My room is not the best, and I know it, will be moving them to the basement when I finish it. Walls are pretty bare so lots of reflections Im sure. The measurements were taken with pink noice at a flat 70db, with a strykes basszone test cd and a rat shack analog meter. The meter was at the listening position approx 8 feet in front of the speakers which are about 15' apart. Corrections have been applied. Thanks for your guys input.
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I used the speakerlab plans as the main construction plans, and then used another set of plans to alter the speakerlab plans to have them look like the klipschorn. Again, BigdnFay was a huge help, hes a great guy. If you look at the speakerlab plans there are obvious differences in the top and bottom parts of the bass bin and also the support for the tailboard. I wanted mine to look like a klipschorn. So pieces were used from both plans. I can email you the other plan with the notes on them as to what to replace on the speakerlab plans. I think the most important part of the process is planning. I built these things I dont know how many times in my mind before even starting. Staring at the plans over and over, compairing measurements, making my own cut sheet diagrams with all the pieces. I even built them in a 3d modeler first to check the dimensions. By the time I started building I almost knew all the dimensions by heart. Obsession ? maybe, but it made the build go much smoother. Difficultly level, its hard to give it a number. Like I said, the saw I used made ALL the difference. All the cuts came out true, straight and accurate. I dont think I could have accomplished that on my table saw. Truthfully, the oiling and getting the finish right was a bigger job and took longer then the bass bin work. I cant even imagine the hassle I would have had if I tried to veneer them like others have done, my hat is off to those guys.
Thanks again for all the compliments
Harley
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All the wood that is showing is a 3/4 inch red oak plywood. The finish is a mahogony colored Watco Danish Oil with a couple coasts of Watco Satin Wax.
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And finally the finished product.
For the last several nights I have been going through my entire music collection. Everything that I have read about the Khorn is true. Crap recordings are almost unlistenable, and good recordings sound Fantastic. The word the always runs through my head is realism. Like sitting in the room with the musicians. But isnt that what we all strive for. The most realistic reproduction as possible. My favorate so far is Dianna Kraull Live in Paris, and that isnt really my most favorate style of music. My floyd sounds real good also (wall, dsotm, wish you were here, animals). The room I have them in now (upstairs family room) isnt the best room for them, its a bit narrow 15', but it is open with high ceilings so the sound does sound "big" which I like. My next project is building my listening/ht room in the basement, this is where these babies will ultimately live. Thanks again to the forum members for all their help. Questions welcome. Feel free to pm or email.
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Label I made up for them, Not sure I can in all good conscious call them klipschorns, just my humble attempt at immitation
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ALK Crossover installed
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Componants, ready to put in K-77, K-55V, Bob Crites Woofer
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Starting the oiling process. I used Watcos Danish oil (mahogony color). Didnt want poop brown, right Meagain. I liked the redish tint to it.
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Even though Ive reduced the pics size, it still takes a while to load so I created an additional post for the rest of them. Thanks for all your compliments guys.
This one is all the pieces cut for the top sections:
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Edge banding. I didnt want to try my hand at veneering for this project, so I used 3/4 inch red oak plywood for all the external pieces (front of bass bin, top section). I used solid red oak to edge band the plywood.
Building backs on older (1989) K horns like the new 60th Anniversary ones.
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Pics Pics Pics, Id like to try this on my Clones.
Harley