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Thanks for the link. But again the closest thing to an explanation of this 4 W instead of 2 W is the following paragraph. Roger has also redesigned the circuity so that the 45 tube generates 4 watts!!!!!!!!!!!! not 2 watts which every other 45 amp produces... Roger designs his SET amps to produce twice the power of anyone else's SET amps by redesigning the circuits... adjusting plate voltages and other values... he went back to the earliest SET designs from the late 1920's and early 1930's and found that the earliest designers did not develop the circuits to it's full potential... almost every current SET designer uses the "values" of those earliest designs to base their own designs on... which Roger feels are fundamentally flawed in terms of their understanding of how to "safely" utilize a given tubes performance potential... let me mention that Roger is very concerned with maximizing tube life and designs all of his amps so the tubes are never stressed and play in their optimal ranges for the longest life That is quite Raelian in essence. The guy who wrote this is basically spouting what he was told, not knowing if it's pure fiction or not. To be fair I hate 45 SET amps with a passion. They're closely associated with the "deeeeeetails first" crowd. The kind of guys that will be only aiming to hear Patricia Barber scratching her left ear on the second verse of track 9 on Café Blue. To me they sound like inserting a compressor in the signal chain. You might get away with a really small room (and I mean reall small) but I would doubt someone can enjoy Rust Never Sleep with these. I spoke to him in person ,he said he made a new application on the tube, has slightly higher voltage [25] ,lower current [current affects the cathode coating, and different impedence. It is how good a vacumn that a tube has that limits the voltage you can run. He is an electrical engineer ,and said that most people get boxed in with the standard application and don't have the knowledge to do anything different to a tube. I know you said you don't really care for a 45, but he does the same thing with allot of different tube amps . If you are interested you can call him ,# is on web page, I did.

Those who said they are comming: ATTENTION NOTICE THE CORRECT DATE IS JAN.27TH ,SATURDAY [not Jan20th, as previously stated ] 1. Old Buckster / Nick [good for 27th] 2. Dr. Pyro with Sony SACD [good for 27th] 3. Daed & wife [good for 27th.] 4 . Whamo [, good for the 27th ] Those who previously were interested ,but no confirmation as yet. 1. Duke Spinner with power SS amps, quicksilver pre, jolida tube cd [no reply as of 1/17/07] 2. tjinif with McIntosh [no ,most likely due to work schedule1/13/07] 3. tuned4life [no reply 1/17/07] Would be nice to hear from you one way or another

Whamo, Glad you can make it,thanks for offer on 511's ,but for now ,I think I am satisfied for awhile to just spend more time with trachorns. Between the problems with this forum going down , and my cable provider doing a build ,I can hardly respond to anything .

Craig, Will do, I am having a terrible time getting my computor to load anything, I have Time Warner ,Road Runner {usually very fast},they are doing a "build" in my area and it makes the computor just about die.

You mean this? Q: How do you get twice the power without hurting the tubes? A: Roger A. Modjeski, our designer, has always created new applications for tubes in his amplifiers and preamps. These applications are generally not the ones given in the RCA tube manual that most other designers use. Those applications are only suggestions and are not the final word. The range of possible applications is limitless and Roger enjoys exploring this realm creating new applications. The standard application of the 45 results in 10 watts of dissipation. This later became the rating for the tube. Interestingly enough, plate dissipation is not given in the early manuals. Roger has the complete set of RCA manuals from RC 11 to RC 29. In the RM-245 Rogers application uses a slightly lower plate current and a slightly higher plate voltage with the average dissipation being 8 watts. The common RCA application is 10 watts (the maximum recommended). One of Rogers conditions is always to run below max dissipation in all his amplifiers. That is not an explaination but a white paper infomercial. He may gain some output power by lowering the plate load at the expense of raising the distortion. Even then, he won't double the output power. Not trying to start anything, after I posted I realized that I read much more about the guy ,that did not come from his web site,from other peoples comments from searching for more info on line.Wanted to edit my post to you ,but I have been having problems with getting on line ,our provider is doing some line work in our area, and I had to leave for work at 2:00 and just got home. There were some good comments on him in the forum article ,I wish I knew how to attatch the link here , I would try to type it in but it is a mile long. I just thought it was interesting as far as his claims go ,and from other peoples comments it looks like an amp worth looking into ,if you like low powered SET amps. try this if you are interested at all in 45 SET amps. http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=33437.10 SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST

You mean this? Q: How do you get twice the power without hurting the tubes? A: Roger A. Modjeski, our designer, has always created new applications for tubes in his amplifiers and preamps. These applications are generally not the ones given in the RCA tube manual that most other designers use. Those applications are only suggestions and are not the final word. The range of possible applications is limitless and Roger enjoys exploring this realm creating new applications. The standard application of the 45 results in 10 watts of dissipation. This later became the rating for the tube. Interestingly enough, plate dissipation is not given in the early manuals. Roger has the complete set of RCA manuals from RC 11 to RC 29. In the RM-245 Rogers application uses a slightly lower plate current and a slightly higher plate voltage with the average dissipation being 8 watts. The common RCA application is 10 watts (the maximum recommended). One of Rogers conditions is always to run below max dissipation in all his amplifiers. That is not an explaination but a white paper infomercial. He may gain some output power by lowering the plate load at the expense of raising the distortion. Even then, he won't double the output power. Not trying to start anything, after I posted I realized that I read much more about the guy ,that did not come from his web site,from other peoples comments from searching for more info on line.Wanted to edit my post to you ,but I have been having problems with getting on line ,our provider is doing some line work in our area, and I had to leave for work at 2:00 and just got home. There were some good comments on him in the forum article ,I wish I knew how to attatch the link here , I would try to type it in but it is a mile long. I just thought it was interesting as far as his claims go ,and from other peoples comments it looks like an amp worth looking into ,if you like low powered SET amps. Try this if you are interested in reading some more about what others are saying concerning his amps. http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=33437.10

Glad to have you, will be nice to meet some "locals"

Dean, Had to work today just got home ,don't have a whole lot of listening in yet, but "refined" comes to mind ,concerning the sound, kind of takes the "rough" edges off.

That's either: pure crap magic refering to output power as peak instead of RMS I'd vote for 1 or 3. Did you even bother to click on the link and try to read what Roger did to arrive at the stated watts, the guy has done this with many tubes. If you have not, you might find it interesting,or you might not, your call.

Joe, I have been looking at various 45 amps , the most interesting one i have found is at http://www.ramlabs-musicreference.com/ . Designed by Rojer Modjeski , doubles the watts from 2w to 4w without any additional stress on the tubes . The RM 245.1 goes for $1850 or so depending on tubes you want. Read some excellent comments on it at Audio Circle Forum > Manufacturers>Omega SpeakerSystems>Topic:Set Or PP intergrated recs sought. I had the"BottleHead" paramounts 2A3 amp ,and I still prefer the mids and highs on them over the VRD's , Craig says that is because I probably don"t have the right preamp match, so we are going to swap out preamps for awhile, he is sending me his juicy music peach.That way I can hear a preamp that is a good match for the VRD.

Dean, K-55-V , just got done with install ,have both pairs of trachorns in ,sounding real nice at the moment ,listening to Allman Bros. "Eat A Peach". Adjustments depending on which mids I have? Running with BEC tweeters for now.

Ben, Would have been great if you could have made it, but totally understand. Perhaps some time in the future, would be nice to meet you.

Dave, Sounds good ,will be great to meet you. Mike Lindsey spoke highly of you.

OB, Sounds great ,got the trachorns a little while ago , I got one installed ,will have to fine tune them though. I have to go to work don't have time for a proper install. Gotta run.

MADE A MISTAKE SHOULD HAVE SAID JANUARY 27TH SATURDAY [not Jan 20th ,have to work then] Must be my mind was still on vacation in Florida. SO SORRY FOR MY MISTAKE AND ANY PROBLEMS IT CAUSED. I am posting this to ask for a definite list of people who are comming . Many have shown an interest ,but I would like to know for sure who is going to show, taking into consideration some unplanned circumstance. It is 2 weeks away from this Saturday[ the 6th], which will be Saturday, Jan 27th I figure arrival around 12:00 for people comming from a distance. . For more info . refer to previous thread "Whamo , Central NY Get Together ,Utica NY". Wanted to get the ball rolling and get an idea on the equipment comming ,besides my own . Also to bounce around ideas for the gathering. So you can do a map quest search , Mark Godlewski ,

Wanted to bring this list back up to the top ,and see if any one is definitely good for this date , Saturday January 21. Utica NY Bump , Date correction Saturday is actually Jan .20

Jay, Sent you another PM ,about metal horns.

There is one on e-bay K55V ,K400 Item # 220066355442. Jay wants the horns

Jay, Just got home from the Florida trip, the meeting is scheduled for Saturday January 21st. In Utica NY. I have to check on the trachorns , but once I get them I will have the metal horns available ,let me know if you want them ,and if you do ,how do you want to get them. hmmm the 21st is no good for me, school starts I believe the 16th and so I was hoping this would happen before school started. And the metal horns I guess need to be shiped. I will pay for them. Jay, Check your PM

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Mike, Just got home ,was tough leaving Florida ,was 82 yesterday at my friends place . Got back home around 4:00 pm ,was 31 and very light snow.Mike really nice system,great sounding, my wife is still talking about how nice a home you have,and what a nice person you are. It was a pleasure meeting you. www.littlefeat.net/ That CD was "Kicking It At The Barn"

Wanted to bring this list back up to the top ,and see if any one is definitely good for this date , Saturday January 21. Utica NY

Jay, Just got home from the Florida trip, the meeting is scheduled for Saturday January 21st. In Utica NY. I have to check on the trachorns , but once I get them I will have the metal horns available ,let me know if you want them ,and if you do ,how do you want to get them.

Hey guys , Still in Florida ,at a friends house on his computor will post when i get home. Had a great visit with Mike Lindsey .

Claude, Sent you a PM ,would like a response before I leave Wednesday. Thanks