BARRA BAZZ: The Genesis Part 1

Hey, i got around 300 feedbacks from Europe and they nearly all love the sound. Even some High End Audio Dealers do use our song for demonstation of very high priced equipment. I readed the comments here and im very surprised that you have problems with the sound. On my 3 equipments its the best record i ever heard with a very big stage, a brutally bass and a flubbergasting transparence. Though i must say that i do use ASR Emitters in two of my equipments. But even in my damned Ford the sound is perfect and every instrument is clear hearable. To the vocals and the singer- he has studied music and is a professionell vocalist so i sended the song to some well known vocalists from the rock business like Ralf Scheepers from Primal Fear (www.primalfear.de ) . And even his statement was that its absolutely fantastic. You must know Hans is singing since a period over 30 years with many experience in bands like DarkStar , Erotica, Velvet Tears and he has a well known Cover Band here in germany, the ULTRALOVERS which are filling big concert halls. So after all this comments i was visiting a lot of hifi friends with different equipments and did some serious listening sessions and i noticed that it was ever the same - if a tube CD Player or a tube amp was working the sound was really non satisfying with a little stage and vocals really do sounded unnatural and "nosy" - i really was falling on my *** last weekend. Its frustrating. But by visiting friends who have serious SS Equipment it sounded so gorgeous that they all wanted to have a copy and they really loved it. I was auditing now with the following speakers with best results: Sonus Faber Cremona Tannoy Kensington plus ST 200 Tannoy M 1 Tannoy System 1200 Tannoy D 700 Tannoy D 900 Tannoy Westminster T.W. plus ST 200 Klipsch RF 7 JBL 5000 TI ALR Jordan 7 ALR Jordan 3 Quadral Titan MK 6 Elac 609 MK 2 JBL L 90 B u W 802 B u W 803 With all this speakers it was sounding perfect - most of them audited with ASR Emitters from different generations. However, our manager was now approving the sound (he only judges with headphones) so we go our way further on the road and will record the album. Definitive we will further do the mixing job with the Klipsch RF 7 ! All in all we have around 500 feedbacks around the world with a quote(voting) "A" by over 70% of the listeners! But we see that in USA nearly nobody loves the sound or the music - so i will perhaps not release the album there. Thanks for your comments! Cheers Werner

Hey Duke, most Monitor speakers are for nearfield or midfield monitoring. I dont like that because there are waves which are too long to be heared in short hearing distances. I prefer monitoring between 5 and 7 meters hearing distance - so that i can audit the music like in a live concert . For me this is easier to work and more sounding reality like. Its much easier to mix the bass range. Cheers Werner

Cool, thank you! Cheers Werner

Hey Werner, thanx for feedback! On my equipment the voice sounds warm and full - perhaps because almighty Emitter, i will test that with some other peoples equipment and decide if we chould make the endmix a little bit warmer. Cheers Werner

Hey Duke, yes, you are right. I began with making music in 1981 and in this times Iron Maiden were my personal music gods:) in this old times. And you know what was born in the 80s - people like Bon Yovi combined rock with Synths and more melodies. Perhaps there was my style of musical thinking born. What i did not like from the 80s was the sound of the most CD s - i prefer a dry sound with not too much reverb and not too much gain and sounding more earthstanding like the most newer productions. For example i really love the sound of Sinners: There will be execution or Metallicas St. Anger. Cheers Werner

I have to fully agree with the above. The guy did ask for some opinions and I certainly give him mine, for the simple fact that I'd like him to produce a quality product. I certainly don't want to discourage the guy from taking on this project, which does sound pretty ambitious. I hope he does it for the love of the art instead of finding away to make a quick buck (and we all know the results of "artists" producing albums simply for trying to get popular and make a buck - just turn on the radio to any current "Top-40" station - I rest my case). Seems Beyond Twilight pulled it off quite nicely with thier For the Love of Art and the Making album. Anyway, regardless of what he used in the studio, the resulting track actually did sound quite good on my setup. I went and downloaded the full "uncompressed" version from that link he posted above. I'll have to give it another listen. Hey Dr. Who and Steven, no i not try to make money - this project do cost all my money and energy and its making a dream come true - to create a rock opera about the Genesis. But i need help and input of friends for to create the best possible thing. Why? Because if you are involved in a creating process like me - you are so full of enthusiasm that you are blind for mistakes. I have alived that in the past, i recorded my fiorst album in 1986 in Dupuis Studios Germany with Erotica, its name was "Creatures of steel". In the last days i was listening to this album - 1986 by creating i loved it - today its a shame for me - so many mistakes! I was blind because of my enthusiasm in 1986. Too much reverb, too much gain, too much bass......its only sounded cool but not beiing cool. Today i want to create an album which will be a pleasure in my ears to listen in 20 further years - a timeless Rock Album with a timeless style and timeless theme. I think the bible is timeless. 1986 my themes were Rockn Roll, Sex,more sex and more Rockn Roll - if you know what i mean. Dr. Who, for me it will be the first time in my life that well known rock musicians will play with me together and give me a help on the coming album - i will not disappoint them or blame myself. They are my idols - if i wanted to sell albums i would tell the names of them - but this will be a surprise if the album comes out. This all do cost money which i invest because of making my personal dreams and wishes come true. Steven, i bought the Paradise Album of Virgin Steele you was talking from - its another theme and about Lillith - this is fantasy and as far as i know something about Satans church and Adams first women. The music is not my personal taste- though i do love some Virgin Steel things from the eighties.. However - our theme is another. Here is another link which will work this weekend for download: http://www.musicfiles.homepage.t-online.de/Track1Lauter16bit.wav I hope you all have fun. Cheers Werner

Dear friends, now you can download the full version of our song without data reducing and 70 MB. Its only for this weekend and for my friends and as a big thank you and tribute for your help! http://www.musicfiles.homepage.t-online.de/Track1Lauter16bit.zip Have fun and play it loud! With love Your Werner

Hello Coytee, i nearly overseen your commend. From where are you - TN??? You write that you had both horn versions - are you a dealer ? Or did you sold the Jubilee because of another reason? Its very good to hear from you too, that it was working though not standing in the room corners! Thanx for information! Cheers Werner

Hey friends, if i understand you correct now - it was the first plan , the Anni is only available in Europe. They produced 200 pairs and limited them. And now they sell them in USA? So the limitation will be a fake????? I do not understand? In the first moment i understanded that they are sold in USA without limitation but for the European market with limitation 200. However, thanx for different private mails and offers , i will handle them strictly confidential. Cheers Werner

Hey Buckster, my room has 30 qm and is only for listening music and looking movies. Its 6,6 meters long and 4,5 meters breadth. No furnitures, only the big Hifi Rack and a couch. And yes - i personally also do think that 14.000 Euro is much too much money for a speaker(independent what speaker) but we are living in crazy times. In germany most people do not earn more money on hand in 1 year of work - and we are only talking about some wood and some drivers. You could buy 7 pairs of RF 7 in germany for that price - surely ! Nethertheless im thinking about and want to know your experiences with the Anniversary horn. Cheers Werner

Hey Duke, it shakes balls Aaaahhhh ... I prefer the meeker sound of this .... Hey Duke, i think the old ones had no seperated channels for Lead, Cruch and Clean sound. Its easier to play live with the newer generation i think. Cheers Werner

Dear friends, im thinking hard about to buy a Klipschorn Anniversary though this will be my financial bankrupt. (after my incredible adventures with the RF 7 on my second equipment) Has someone of you such and Anniversary horn? The anniversary has a closed cabinet and i have heard that it is possible to stay it away from the backwalls. I would like to stay it 30 cm from the backwalls away (sidewalls are no problem i can press ist against). Reason for not going directly to the backwalls is a channel at the backwall for the watertubes of the heaters. What is the list price for the Anniversary Horns in other countries and for how much money is it handled in the reality? If these informations are confidential, you can mail me private under: headbanger777@onlinehome.de I will handle the informations strict confidential. In germany the list price is 14.000 Euro and there are not so much rebates possible like im used with other brands and they are limited 200 samples. My problem is that i have exotic Tannoy Westminster horns in the moment . and this speaker is nearly unsellable because of his titanic sizes:) (though a very good one - was satisfied 8 years with them!) They have a 15 inch point source driver and 3 meter folded horns, 99 db efficiency and a closed cabinet incl ST 200 around 1,45 meters high , breadth 1,03 meters and deep around 0,7 meters each! My anxiety is the following: Tannoy Westminster incl. ST 200 can handle 18 hertz - 70.000 hertz. The Klipschorn only can handle 17.000 hertz. Is the Klipschorn able to produce good highs? I fear i will miss a lot in the highs because my ears really do hear the Supertweeters very much beginning by 18.000 hertz. Without the Supertweeters i mis the air between the instruments and room informations about the stage. The Klipsch only goes down to 50 hertz - dont you miss some bass? I know- technical datas are only glibberish and have not too much to say about the sound- but gives me to think. Thanx for input friends! Your Klipsch priest Werner

Hey Steven, of course i didnt understand your posting as insulting! You understand perfect - this is a promotion song we made for: -checking if the msuical stlye mixing is possible for us as musicians and satisfying for listeners - creating a sound - give god a tribute for making this project possible - using it later for bonus track/B side of first single -checking what people will think if they hear such a progressive thing with many soft keyboards combined with a hard guitar - to give a picture of our vision to the musicians who have promised to come for guest playing of the very difficult parts - i do not can manage! (im no Malmsteen or Gerold Hirschler!) - to test if there are differences in taste between different countries and to check up where the album/style will have a chance - to check if we are right with using RF 7 for monitoring (nobody else does as far as im informed) - to get input what we can make better In germany we only got really worshipping for the Track (some hifi dealers do take as reference track!)- but i personally do think by far that there are some better ways to rock and that is only the beginning of a long journey through sound space. So again - thanks your for helping and every other oppinion is welcome! We will give our best ! Your Klipsch priest Werner

Dear Ron, Steve and friends, i thank you all so much for your commends. Many of you did not post in this forum they posted to me private and many people wanted the song and give it an audition. Thank you all for your time! Some of you were sending mails that they want the song - but the mailer demon came back and told that they did not have enough space room in their mail box to eat 12 MB! I really answered on every mail - but not every data transfer was working. It was very interesting for me to read what people in the USA (complete other taste like in Europe) would think about the song. For example nearly every listener from USA stated that he dont like Hansis voice! And nearly all liked the keyboards , guitars, drums, melodies and sound very much. Let me tell you more: I sended the song to 200 friends from Europe . Around 75% gave a feedback and now sit down on your chair and wonder: 1) Most of them stated that Hansi voice is the best of the whole music and that he is a great shouter with a very different and professionell voice. 2) Around a dozen people were not satisfied with the Keyboard solo in this song. They would like to hear a guitar solo instead of. 3) Everybody - without exception liked the sound, too. 4) Some had problems with the message and do hate reliegoius things in songs. 5) Nearly all of the people who gave a feedback answered that they would buy such a song. What i clearly see is that people in Europe and USA do think different and the market will be different. My first fear was that people would say: Fire this damned guitar player:)))))) But nobody was insulting with me Uff! I know Hansi since around 30 years and personally have no problem with his shouting, we wrote surely some thousend songs together in a working period between 1981-1998. Of course im used to his voice since earliest youth. We learned us to know in 1977. Hansi has a classical schooling in singing and in choirs and was singing in many projects here and has an own Coverband (www.Ultralovers.de ) with which he gives concerts at the weekends with big success in clubs around Mannheim. Here mostly the wifes do love his voice. For me it is interesting to hear that people in USA would say he sounds forced, even Tarja Turunen (ex Nightwish) has a CD with his voice and the song Angel from 1986 and was not insulting. To hear him live is always like listening an hurricane through the P.A. system: But i will have a seriously talk about the critics and will give some more pressure behind the voice - we recorded it without any effects - or changes in the sound - absolutely flat - and surely people are not used to hear a rock song with non compressed vocals. I bought an SPL Tube Gold Mike - now we will use the gold monster and give some throttle You must know every band do use such toys -we tryed to avoid that - now we give it a try. Im very happy that you are satisfied with the music - Steves oppinion was very urgent for me - he s listening the same things like me:) Steve - of course give the Mix further to your friends and other bands and mail me about what they are thinking. For me is sure - the RF 7 is the best monitor i ever worked with! We are at the beginning of the project - the song is only for promotion and will come on the B side of a single - not on the album. As i told it was a personal thing in which we said thank you to GOD for making it possible that we will play with well known musicians in soon. I personally stopped making music from 1998 until some weeks ago. Its the fault of Mat Sinner that im reanimated and this first song was composed in one afternoon. We needed 2 days for to find the sounds, 1 day for recording the guitars, 1 day for the bass, 2 days for vocals and drums and Synths and 1 days for mixing- so it was a project of seven days. We will take 9 months time to record the Album which will be much better , i hope! For to create an optimal album its very urgent to hear the oppinions about other music lovers. For me is sure - we must do something better with the voice - an idea - i not had. The lyrics- yes i know Stryper from the 80s! Do they still exist? Steve - do you know Neal Morse (in the earlier days singer of Spock s Beard). I do love his music(much personal experience about Jesus) very much. The album Testimony was a revelation for me and the concert together with Mike Portnoy in dutchland was earthshaking. I personally will not make a worship project - i will tell the story of the old testament of the bible - very great and epic stories with unbelievable adventures - sometimes more excited like Indiana Jones or the Mummy. I have enough from writing about Sex, drugs and Rockn Roll, demon wars, Zombies and such things:) Another thing that could tempt me in the future would be to write a Science Fiction story in the way of a rock opera. Cheers Werner

i don't think price is a factor with a commercial enterprise as recoding studio...... what is a factor, is a flat , neutral , detailed presentation, so the engineer may determine exactly how He want's it to sound ...... Sorry, no matter what you may have read, I don't consider Any home stereo speaker... to have the requirement's of a true Studio Monitor.....a much over used term .... my personal fav, probably due to the hundreds of hours i have using them .... JBL 4430 ...... they pick up an amazing amount of detail that All my Klipsch speakers gloss over Hey Duke, i know the JBL s and i can promise you its nearly impossible to get a good transparence with them. I changed in the old times to Tannoys DMT 15. Im very surprised that in these days some people do work with JBL s in the studio - perhaps they are used to the JBL sound - i dont know. I even had some Hifi speakers from JBL in the beginning of the 90 s - the LX 66 and the 5.000 TI - horrible - both were flying out of my house after a few weeks. The midrange was catastrophic and the highs harsh. I bought them because of good tests and it was a big disappointing for me. Later i readed that there were different versions with different quality on the market - was no good idea to buy cheap in this case............... However the theme JBL is eaten for me, sorry Duke! Cheers Werner