Roc Rinaldi
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I believe the 800D's go for $20,000 and the 803D's for $8,000.
Throwing good money after bad.
The elusive butterfly.
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It's Klipsch Magic.!!!
Please remember that our ears are human. They can only hear so well. How much better can other speakers sound compared to Klipsch. Could they actually sound so much better that they are worth the added thousands of dollars? I don't think so. Utopia in audio/video is an elusive, impossible goal to achieve. Seeking it will just drive you crazy. (That's how I got to be the way that I am)
Roc, It is driving me crazy. Only two years ago, I had a cheap Kenwood receiver and some small bookshelves. Now, with my McIntosh amp and RF83's, I find myself constantly thinking about upgrading. Most recently, I bought Cardas speaker cables (1200.00) and a power cable (265.00) I hear no difference. I kept the products, but where the hell does this thinking process end???????????????
You have excellent speakers and a really good amp. So sorry to hear about your cables. I've never believed in super expensive cables for speakers or interconnects. I just worry about the guage for speaker wire. I don't believe that there is any difference with high priced wires except, of course, the difference in how much of your money gets spent.
Your good with your equipment. Now it is on to room treatments/equalization. That should keep you busy for quite a while.
We are all chasing the progress being made in technology so "frustration" is guaranteed.
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Recently someone here linked to another main brand audio forum. There I perused the threads and came across one entitled "Horns Wow!". This person who had also tried enumerable high cost cone speakers systems had scored a pair of home built corner horns. They were absolutely astounded at the quality of the reproduction. Literally could not shut up about them. Felt like fool for having not tried them sooner and encouraged everyone there to do the same.
Lesson learned.
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It's about time that blowing something came up in the conversation.
Yea about time what with all the sweet spot talk and all.
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A true audiophile elitist has both money and will find the space for larger gear. [
]Be true to your school.
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everyone jumps the gun to get the biggest baddest sub but sometimes people have priorities like space and money. I am just giving him what is matching.....
"Space and money priorities"?
You are in the wrong hobby with those priorities.
Just kidding. I understand your point.
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You can never have too much sub....
Sweet music to my ears.
Sweet sweet music.
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Thanks for your suggestions, I do appreciate it. Helmholtz Resonators inbetween the studs? How would one do this?
The tuning of a HR is based upon the area of the mouth, and the volume of trapped air behind the mouth (think tuned pipe). What you do is put a vent in the wall at a location where you've got a peak from a standing wave. Behind the vent you would create an airtight volume of air inbetween the studs. The only catch is that you need to know what frequency the HR needs to be tuned at, and where the peaks of the standing waves are in your room. If you're off by even a bit, the HR will pretty much do nothing.
Speaking of which - I wonder how that would play into problems shifting around as people and furniture changed in the room...[^o)]
The idea in your last sentence is something that I have been worried about for some time now.
If I do measurements and room treatments for my room, then what? After doing this what if I decide to rearrange the room or experiment with different speaker locations, won't I have to remeasure and re-treat the room? This would be very frustrating, every time I make a change in the room. The realities for me are that most likely I will want to try different speaker locations over time and most assuredly my wife Janet, eventually will want to rearrange some things is the room? And how well do room treatments work for just me in the room vs. 5 people in the room? Isn't this also a factor?
How would I prevent obsolesence of my room treatments once the changes mentioned above begin to occur?
Please advise Mike.
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Should keep me safe from sub bass starvation...
Exactly how hungry are you?
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what about the 5800, oops I wasn't supposed to talk about that one.
5800?
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HA POWAH
Huh?
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And I will also add another f112 and get dual f110's.
f-110 ??????
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Not that dual f113 are not capable...just as a few members here who own them and Roc... [
] Can tell you they kick major woofer.Major woofer.
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That's a bit of a carried-over "what can we still say now to make ours look better" statement
...........sounds like sour grapes
it just seems like whatever product SVS comes out with some people will always have negative things to say.
I don't have either brand, JL or SVS. I have an RSW15. So what could I possibly have "sour grapes" about? Maybe that I have neither. [
]If anything, you're the one who sounds a bit "sour" about all the attention the JL gets, and obviously biased toward the SVS product; any SVS product. [
] You've not heard it yet, or read any reviews, yet you're certain it will best the JL.I didn't consider that to be a bash of the SVS product. I simply think the JL will have more finesse than the SVS. Sometimes finesse isn't necessarily what you want. A defensive lineman and a wide receiver can both be stellar athletes, but they both serve a different purpose. (yes, I realize this is not the best analogy.)
We'll have to wait until the dust settles and see what the reviews say when the "13" becomes available.
LOL
CAS is a bit partial to SVS... [
] Me I could care less,I get what I want to to the job,and now building better subs than JL or SVS for massive output down deep. When you start using 15 and 18" ubber drivers you forget about less capable subs. []Not dual f113 are not capable...just as a few members here who own them and Roc... [
] Can tell you they kick major woofer.In other news...
... By the end of this year I will have ALL the TC Sounds dually subs...from TC-1000,2000,3000,5200 to the LMS-5400. TheEAR takes no prisoners. And I will also add another f112 and get dual f110's. HA POWAH all in a tiny...600cu ft by then room....the more I add the more it shrinks...
Nobody has the subsonic concentration I have and when I am done I will by far have the most subsonic capabvility on this planet...per cubic inch in a room!
Go baby, Go.!!!!
Don't stop.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's a bit of a carried-over "what can we still say now to make ours look better" statement
...........sounds like sour grapes
it just seems like whatever product SVS comes out with some people will always have negative things to say.
I don't have either brand, JL or SVS. I have an RSW15. So what could I possibly have "sour grapes" about? Maybe that I have neither. [
]If anything, you're the one who sounds a bit "sour" about all the attention the JL gets, and obviously biased toward the SVS product; any SVS product. [
] You've not heard it yet, or read any reviews, yet you're certain it will best the JL.I didn't consider that to be a bash of the SVS product. I simply think the JL will have more finesse than the SVS. Sometimes finesse isn't necessarily what you want. A defensive lineman and a wide receiver can both be stellar athletes, but they both serve a different purpose. (yes, I realize this is not the best analogy.)
We'll have to wait until the dust settles and see what the reviews say when the "13" becomes available.
You make perfectly good sense and in a very polite way.
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If SPL and bottom-feeder, slurping black-hole HT effects are all you care about, the SVS will probably outgun the JL.
But almost certainly the JL will have more finesse than the SVS.
That's a bit of a carried-over "what can we still say now to make ours look better" statement. Have you heard a TV-12 or brand new Ultra-13? JL by any means isn't the top of the line in SQ and SVS isn't the bottom. I know you're a "MUSIC" guy, but to bash like the above especially with the high-quality driver in question sounds like sour grapes [
] Finesse? If sealed is your taste the Ultra-13 is designed for that, too with the included plugs. Slap the 7-year old W7 in a sealed box with pretty lights, mark up the price and call it finesse? If you want to I guess.Sorry, I'm not trying to sell either one and I apologize for the slight bash, just a reaction; it just seems like whatever product SVS comes out with some people will always have negative things to say. It's the Pepsi/sub challenge; put them side by side with a blindfold on and I bet you a paycheck you'd have to eat your words. [:^)]
I would put it differently. "Side by Side" you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish which sub is which.
The f-113 has the advantage of small size. How large is the Ultra-13?
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And my TC Sounds subs will outgun both subs in SPL and extension....[
] Uhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhh BURP!Bragging rights?
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If SPL and bottom-feeder, slurping black-hole HT effects are all you care about, the SVS will probably outgun the JL.
But almost certainly the JL will have more finesse than the SVS.
I find the f-113s to be very musical and not just a special effects sub.
Of course I am very biased because I own two f-113s, so don't listen to me.
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Comparable yet little in common.
Comparable in driver size,probably quality of the driver and cabinet....
The Fathom line is sealed the Ultra is ported. The SVS used BASH amp does not compare too well to the powerhouse you have in the JL. The BASH amp SVS uses is alot cheaper than the JL Audio amp/controller found in the Fathom.
I would bet the JL Audio drivers moves more air,being sealed still loses in SPL due to its sealed nature,the SVS is ported.
In any case a great sub for those looking for very high performance and not pay a fortune.
EAR, your comments make me happy. Thank God you have been consistent in your advice.
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It taste's like sage and dirt.
It's not only the snakes you need to worry about though, black widows, brown recluses, scorpions, huge yellow jacket wasps, tarantula killing wasps, and trap door tarantula's also readily inhabit the area. If those don't get you the thorn plants and prickly pear cacti will. C'mon down sometime and we'll see how brave you are.
Yeah, but we've got these!
And they LIVE in your lawn!
And there's MILLIONS of them!
And they won't go away no matter what you do!
Oh it's horrible let me tell you....
You have my sympathy.
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It taste's like sage and dirt.
It's not only the snakes you need to worry about though, black widows, brown recluses, scorpions, huge yellow jacket wasps, tarantula killing wasps, and trap door tarantula's also readily inhabit the area. If those don't get you the thorn plants and prickly pear cacti will. C'mon down sometime and we'll see how brave you are.
What a wonderful place to live.
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Fun, Fun, Fun.
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Blowing out candles is more fun.!!!
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Many end up being reviewers of high-end super expensive equipment so that they may have access to this gear for free in their search for the top. Some are so neurotic about perfect sound that they never really enjoy the music.
Some of them are also deaf.
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] You've not heard it yet, or read any reviews, yet you're certain it will best the JL.
] Me I could care less,I get what I want to to the job,and now building better subs than JL or SVS for massive output down deep. When you start using 15 and 18" ubber drivers you forget about less capable subs. [
] Finesse? If sealed is your taste the Ultra-13 is designed for that, too with the included plugs. Slap the 7-year old W7 in a sealed box with pretty lights, mark up the price and call it finesse? If you want to I guess.
Klipsch and "other speaker" companies marketing???
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Excellent advice, Mike.